2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

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Re: 2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

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dialtone wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 17:58
Hey,
sorry I wasn't around for FP3, I'm in the west coast US so FP1/FP3 in european GPs are out of my capacity in normal circumstances. But here's quali!

https://i.imgur.com/gPkFR9S.jpeg
- 0.3s is a lot closer than in FP2 and even how Q2 was shaping up, RBR improved their S3 a lot in the last run.
- RBR has the biggest top speed advantage they had since Imola at 7-8kph. That's some real difference, could lead to easier passes in the race or harder to pass. Where this comes from is a lower DF wing that they didn't use in Austria and Ferrari has the same wing of the last 3 races. RBR could show up with better tire deg tomorrow although how FP2 went nothing representative was really seen between Ferrari and RBR, but it wouldn't be the first race that RBR can run lower DF and keep the tires well.
- RBR will have an obvious advantage if the race is close by having 2 cars up there vs Ferrari having one coming from the back. However I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari added some DF to the car to avoid graining tomorrow knowing they were going to use SAI as tow, could be 4D chess here.
- I know LEC had SAI's tow, hard to not know that since the director decided to follow SAI setting the tow up rather than LEC on the lap, but the tow maybe generated 0.1-0.15s advantage, so the pole was going to be there anyway.
- T1 (500m) and T10,11,12 (4000-4600m) are where LEC built his win. T1 in that Ferrari was so dominant that LEC was 8kph faster than Max out of it. T10 LEC was 10kph faster than Max, very significant results.
- But LEC did receive a tow, the best way I can show it is via comparison to SAI best lap in Q2, which by the way was good enough for 2nd place.

https://i.imgur.com/FJC237j.jpeg
- First of all this SAI lap was really great, just barely slower than LEC's best in Q3 through S2, and then he gave the tow which can be seen at the end of the straight to T10 (3600-4100m).
- SAI was really on point today, easily the fastest driver on track, wonder what time he would have pulled out.

https://i.imgur.com/CLkjD5p.jpeg
- Ham described his lap to F1TV as a beautiful lap
- His S1 was really close, however already on the straight to T8 (1800-2600m) Mercs pay a bit of top speed, either they added some wing, or more likely this is the slightly higher drag from the car (RPMs of the engine are higher).
- In T8 Lewis lost a lot already, 0.2s but then the real big loss comes in S3, in T10 Lewis is 16 (!!) kph slower than Charles and that Merc loses 0.6s in S3. That's just another planet.
Good job from Lando to be where he is, his lap is very close to HAM but we'll compare it to RUS instead:

https://i.imgur.com/4OdiOlq.jpeg
- NOR really slightly edging out RUS through S1 and S2, almost identical
- RUS, more than HAM, really struggling in T10-11-12-13 where RUS loses 0.2s to Lando.

Overall Ferrari pulled good team work but wasn't necessary, and overall today will matter up to a point, if Ferrari doesn't have a good start it will be tough, if tires don't last it will be tough and most importantly, if engine explodes it won't matter.
Hoping for a good race tomorrow, quali was fun.
Top stuff you bring man! =D> Really, really appreciate these posts.

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Re: 2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

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Re: 2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

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Thats erm...a bit worrying for Ferrari PUs

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Re: 2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

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Not sure what the story is. That Haas is not replacing Mick's engine as it would be fine anyway? Why would they go to a gp with 4 engines to replace?

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Re: 2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

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They will have to take a new one in the next few races anyways and him being 20th instead of 17th would not hurt at all but apparently there are no new Ferrari PUs at the track (for Haas at least) - that's the entire story, yep.

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Re: 2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

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chrisc90 wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 20:46
Thats erm...a bit worrying for Ferrari PUs
I don't understand this comment. He's starting 17th, and might as well take an engine to drop to 20th, they just don't have a new one available at the track.

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Re: 2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

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Crikey. Really, I almost can’t imagine.

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dialtone wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 20:53
Not sure what the story is. That Haas is not replacing Mick's engine as it would be fine anyway? Why would they go to a gp with 4 engines to replace?
Possibly given Micks Pace before the deleted lap, probably puts him a little 'out of place' with what the team expected him to do. So fitting a extra PU and starting from near enough the back anyhow, would mean another engine in the pool without penalty.

Its probably more worrying though that there isnt another 'new' engine at the track. Bit of a surprise really given they could probably stick one in the back of a van from Haas base in Banbury UK or even from Italy if they come from Ferrari directly, and it would be there overnight. Or even fly it in given the chaos at the port of Dover if from the UK.

You could question of whether there is enough PU's to 'go round' - Mags took a new one, Sainz took a new one, and possibly Mick if there was one available.

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Re: 2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

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vanburin wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 21:03
chrisc90 wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 20:46
Thats erm...a bit worrying for Ferrari PUs
I don't understand this comment. He's starting 17th, and might as well take an engine to drop to 20th, they just don't have a new one available at the track.
Worrying as in is there enough PU's available? Surely a team would take a PU for each driver to each race.

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Re: 2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

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I am giving Ricciardo until end of season to really turn his performance around. He aha a contract for 2023 but if he still finds himself struggling by end of this season and I can see him losing interest in facing another year in Norris' shadow and maybe jumping teams. A switch with Albon perhaps.
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Re: 2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

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chrisc90 wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 21:09
vanburin wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 21:03
chrisc90 wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 20:46
Thats erm...a bit worrying for Ferrari PUs
I don't understand this comment. He's starting 17th, and might as well take an engine to drop to 20th, they just don't have a new one available at the track.
Worrying as in is there enough PU's available? Surely a team would take a PU for each driver to each race.
May be Ferrari is on the maximum capacity of their production and assembly, but a running out of spare units because of unexpected reliability woes?

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TNTHead wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 21:17
chrisc90 wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 21:09
vanburin wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 21:03


I don't understand this comment. He's starting 17th, and might as well take an engine to drop to 20th, they just don't have a new one available at the track.
Worrying as in is there enough PU's available? Surely a team would take a PU for each driver to each race.
May be Ferrari is on the maximum capacity of their production and assembly, but a running out of spare units because of unexpected reliability woes?
Yeah, that would be my guesses

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Re: 2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

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TNTHead wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 21:17
chrisc90 wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 21:09
vanburin wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 21:03


I don't understand this comment. He's starting 17th, and might as well take an engine to drop to 20th, they just don't have a new one available at the track.
Worrying as in is there enough PU's available? Surely a team would take a PU for each driver to each race.
May be Ferrari is on the maximum capacity of their production and assembly, but a running out of spare units because of unexpected reliability woes?
Possibly they have switched production to a 'reliability' modified component and held back what they thought would be needed before the break, but got caught out by the unexpected number needed.

If they did not produce enough of a specific component before changing the 'reliability' bit the production method may not still be available to make old style parts?
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Re: 2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

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falonso81 wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 19:37
ismail1991 wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 19:23
Looking strong for Ferrari. I am curious how much place can Sainz get back with the pace he has.
P6 seems easy enough. A SC or anyone up front having problems will be bonus for him. Judging from his monstrous pace though i would bet he can catch the Mercs pretty quickly.
Are you talking about monstrous race pace? I must've missed something because the practice long runs from Ferrari were nothing special.

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dialtone wrote:
23 Jul 2022, 17:58
In T8 Lewis lost a lot already, 0.2s but then the real big loss comes in S3, in T10 Lewis is 16 (!!) kph slower than Charles and that Merc loses 0.6s in S3. That's just another planet.
:shock:

That flexi floor doin' some work yo

Thank you for putting those together, very informative! =D>