2022 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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TNTHead
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On board he screamed throttle issue, at Viaplay he said it was a mistake by himself. Judging what was happening both could be the case, throttle not going to zero would lead to oversteer/losing the rear. Too worn tyres leading to loss of grip at the back could also be a possibility.

LEC being political on not blaming the car?

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If it was the throttle that failed, I would be surprised because both Ferraris had been leaving the throttle with 15% through that corner all weekend. I wonder if the technique that both Leclerc and Sainz now have of keeping the throttle in even while braking through certain corners has worn out the mechanism a bit. That is if it really did fail again

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dialtone wrote:
24 Jul 2022, 16:59
Slahinki wrote:
24 Jul 2022, 16:57
Golden boy binning it, and Ferrari strategising themselves out of a P3 with Sainz. A very Ferrari weekend.
I doubt Sainz could have made it with no pits, the front left was damaged and T10 takes a lot out of the tire.
Considering that Perez and Russell would be wasting time fighting behind I don't think getting and maintaining a 5 second gap would have been all that hard. Especially in hindsight with the VSC to help preserve the tires. They at least should have tried, he looked significantly faster than Perez even with ageing mediums.

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dialtone wrote:
24 Jul 2022, 16:59
Slahinki wrote:
24 Jul 2022, 16:57
Golden boy binning it, and Ferrari strategising themselves out of a P3 with Sainz. A very Ferrari weekend.
I doubt Sainz could have made it with no pits, the front left was damaged and T10 takes a lot out of the tire.
Yeah, I don't think pitting him was a bad idea given the condition of those tires. They would've been dangerous in a few laps.

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I don't think we are gonna be able to find out truly what happened to Leclerc through telemetry. On F1 Tempo, the lap where he crashed is not showing up. I guess we are gonna have to believe what they say to us

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Fortunately it's not Sainz who bin it into the wall.. wonder what would be said.

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Leclerc and Binotto said the throttle problem was related to him trying to put it in reverse, not the cause of the crash. I’ll believe the party line that it was his mistake and not a car problem.

As for Sainz strategy, I think Gasly went the distance on mediums so Carlos could have done it. Especially considering Perez and Russell’s shenanigans. Another 30 points in the WCC down the drain. Merc creeping closer even.
"You can't argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"
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continuum16 wrote:
24 Jul 2022, 17:40
Leclerc and Binotto said the throttle problem was related to him trying to put it in reverse, not the cause of the crash. I’ll believe the party line that it was his mistake and not a car problem.

As for Sainz strategy, I think Gasly went the distance on mediums so Carlos could have done it. Especially considering Perez and Russell’s shenanigans. Another 30 points in the WCC down the drain. Merc creeping closer even.
Without the slow stop and the 5 seconds penalty it would've been a 2nd place for sure. Sainz was pretty strong this week end, don't know why I have to say (does he particularly like this track ?)

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Rough race for Ferrari, wasn't looking too bad at the start. Despite what
everyone was adamant about on tire degradation, Ferrari had pretty good tire
life, in fact people are even questioning whether Sainz should have pitted at
lap 42, with 24 laps old Mediums that would have needed to last till 34 to reach
the end, with some visible blistering on the front tires. On the other hand
Gasly managed to get to the end of the race, albeit he was lapping 2s/lap slower
than Sainz.

Leclerc made a mistake in Turn 10, at crashed out at lap 18 after a tough first
part of the race, and being able to open a gap of just about 2 seconds right
around lap 16.

Sadly there's no telemetry for lap 18 on LEC so I can't quite show a graph to
validate what happened, however Charles admitted to it being his mistake,
probably under pressure to push as hard as he could to make up for Verstappen
undercut.

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Looking at these lap times it's easy to see that all the tire degradation
problems that everyone was talking about on Ferrari didn't actually exist.
Ferrari just had the engine tuned down.

It easier to see here also that Gasly got to the end with no pits, but was a lot
slower than Sainz, so hard to use it as a direct comparison, but clearly someone
did and perhaps Ferrari could have dared a bit more here, they would have gotten
lucky with the VSC if nothing else, plus they had Sainz sit behind Perez for so
long, if they wanted to pit anyway they could have done it earlier, but
ultimately nothing would have changed in that case. Sainz himself mentioned that
he asked the team to let him finish the overtake and then he would have pitted.

Lap 11 was probably the best chance for VER to pass LEC:

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He had a HUGE speed advantage on that lap, 29kph between DRS and tow in the back
straight, 32kph at T1, but Ferrari was just stronger in S3 all race and was able
to keep him far enough that it never mattered. And on the straight without DRS
into T10 his top speed advantage was just 8kph, not enough to be able to pass,
compounded with the need to brake much earlier due to being so close to the car
in front that it compromises his downforce.

As soon as LEC got out of DRS range:

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That top speed gap became more reasonable at 11kph with just the tow, and
looking at the performance of the car in the corners, those tires were still
very alive, compared to the Red Bull.

Sadly Ferrari today was again the better car, but when it's not reliability,
it's driver errors or strategy calls although today with the forced pit by the
SC everyone pit at the same time.

Checo and Russell had an eventful VSC ending at lap 50:

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Russell created a big gap in front of him in the back straight, created enough
margin that when the restart came he was able to go quickly, about 27kph faster
than Perez who instead was still braking when Russell had the throttle down.
Nothing he could have done there, I think Perez managed his VSC badly.

I think the championship gets really hard now, everything can still happen
especially with the TD change in Belgium but as a Ferrari fan I do feel it's
probably slipping away.

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dialtone wrote:
24 Jul 2022, 17:44
https://i.imgur.com/zOZr659.png

I think the championship gets really hard now, everything can still happen
especially with the TD change in Belgium but as a Ferrari fan I do feel it's
probably slipping away.
Ferrari bottled points advantage in July and losing the championship in 2012, 2017, 2018, can't see them coming back...

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dialtone wrote:
24 Jul 2022, 17:44

Sadly there's no telemetry for lap 18 on LEC so I can't quite show a graph to
validate what happened, however Charles admitted to it being his mistake,
probably under pressure to push as hard as he could to make up for Verstappen
undercut.

That's what i don't get, Ferrari had the first lap, when Max ran into Norris, to try and cover and they declined of doing so.
That usually means they are going long and getting an offset rather than attempting a "touch and go" covering, why was Charles going for "qualy laps" then?
Awful mistake.

Things were going well, Max cooked his tires trying to put pressure and Charles was starting to slip away, so RBR reacted like a proper team and pitted him immediately to not let his win chances die.

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Spoutnik wrote:
24 Jul 2022, 17:48
dialtone wrote:
24 Jul 2022, 17:44
https://i.imgur.com/zOZr659.png

I think the championship gets really hard now, everything can still happen
especially with the TD change in Belgium but as a Ferrari fan I do feel it's
probably slipping away.
Ferrari bottled points advantage in July and losing the championship in 2012, 2017, 2018, can't see them coming back...
It's not over yet. There are points to grab.

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F1NAC wrote:
24 Jul 2022, 17:58
Spoutnik wrote:
24 Jul 2022, 17:48
dialtone wrote:
24 Jul 2022, 17:44
https://i.imgur.com/zOZr659.png

I think the championship gets really hard now, everything can still happen
especially with the TD change in Belgium but as a Ferrari fan I do feel it's
probably slipping away.
Ferrari bottled points advantage in July and losing the championship in 2012, 2017, 2018, can't see them coming back...
It's not over yet. There are points to grab.
Statistically, if Verstappen wins in Hungary he only need 2nd places for the races left in order to win the Championship.
I think Ferrari can win the WCC tho with Sainz on top form.

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It is throttle peddle issue. Ferrari covering it in media however it is reveled in post driver discussions before podium ceremony. Th Rb engineer said it is throttle issue. Then broadcaster mutted all conversation in that room. So it is clear throttle issue.

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Spoutnik wrote:
24 Jul 2022, 17:35
Fortunately it's not Sainz who bin it into the wall.. wonder what would be said.
Let's just say I don't think people would be near as sympathetic or trying to cover for him as some seem to be doing for Leclerc now.