2022 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[tpe]

So, the criticism for Carlos pitstop is not if he needed it or not, but about the timing.
Seems like some people think that they should pit him 18 laps to the end.

If this is right it only means that Ferrari has wrong numbers.
Hmmm

[Spoutnik]

So, the criticism for Carlos pitstop is not if he needed it or not, but about the timing.
Seems like some people think that they should pit him 18 laps to the end.

If this is right it only means that Ferrari has wrong numbers.
Hmmm

It's impossible to overtake 3 cars and gain ~20sec in 10 laps. You can gain 1.5 to 3 sec a lap with fresh tyres. It should've been with 15/18 laps to go.

[tpe]

Of course it's impossible!
The numbers I am referring to are those about tyre wear, lap times etc.
I strongly believe their strategy is based on an XLS...

Not to mention that with 10 laps yo go, even soft would last, so why not trying it?

[dialtone]

So, the criticism for Carlos pitstop is not if he needed it or not, but about the timing.
Seems like some people think that they should pit him 18 laps to the end.

If this is right it only means that Ferrari has wrong numbers.
Hmmm

Pitting earlier wouldn't have changed anything, whoever says that hasn't looked at data, he wasn't going to be 3 second per lap faster for the whole stint, even those tires fall off if you push them so hard.

You really have 2 options if you want to look into it:
1) Ferrari made the right call
2) Ferrari should have tried to go the whole race

1. isn't worth discussing obviously, but I happen to agree.

2. They would have seen the VSC and by taking advantage of that might have been able to arrive 3rd. It's unlikely they would have made it to the end as Sainz pace wasn't good enough.



Sainz wasn't on the pace with the first 2 at that point and his tires were starting to fall off with blisters on his fronts.

[tpe]

I don't disagree with the call. But on the other hand I don't trust their data fully.
My only difference would be the compound, but obviously they knows better.

(Marvellous graph)

[Big Tea]

So, the criticism for Carlos pitstop is not if he needed it or not, but about the timing.
Seems like some people think that they should pit him 18 laps to the end.

If this is right it only means that Ferrari has wrong numbers.
Hmmm

What I found strange ( I posted this on the Ferrari thread too ) is that they went from undecided, discussing with the driver, to demanding the car be pitted right now when he was in a good place.

I do think he should have pitted before having to pass though

[JPower]

Fortunately it's not Sainz who bin it into the wall.. wonder what would be said.

Let's just say I don't think people would be near as sympathetic or trying to cover for him as some seem to be doing for Leclerc now.

I can definitely think of a few users here that would be ripping him a new orifice while calling for his head, lol. The people that said Sainz cracked under pressure in Silverstone are oddly quiet now, at least he didn't put his car in the wall unlike il predestinato today.

To be expected...

Regardless, I think Ferrari will bounce back strongly later this week.

Looking forward to Hungary already.

[pipoloko]

alea iacta est

[Shal_Leg16]

Fortunately it's not Sainz who bin it into the wall.. wonder what would be said.

Let's just say I don't think people would be near as sympathetic or trying to cover for him as some seem to be doing for Leclerc now.

I can definitely think of a few users here that would be ripping him a new orifice while calling for his head, lol. The people that said Sainz cracked under pressure in Silverstone are oddly quiet now, at least he didn't put his car in the wall unlike il predestinato today.

Blaming others but yourself doing the same. great.

all these posts are only targeting Leclerc or his fans and then to say ... " Fortunately it's not Sainz who bin it into the wall.. wonder what would be said " .

Hypocrisy says hii to all.

[selvam_e2002]

we have to forgot this year wcc and wdc. It seems like,
driver making mistake,
team making mistake,
reliability issue.

Binnoto will be gone if it continues in 2023.

they need experienced driver. I don't think Lec or Sainz can win with ferrari for next few years.

If this tread continues like this they have to forgot the WDC and WCC till next rule change.

[dialtone]

we have to forgot this year wcc and wdc. It seems like,
driver making mistake,
team making mistake,
reliability issue.

Binnoto will be gone if it continues in 2023.

they need experienced driver. I don't think Lec or Sainz can win with ferrari for next few years.

If this tread continues like this they have to forgot the WDC and WCC till next rule change.

I think they just need better fans.

[space wadet]

At the end of the day I think most of it comes down to the engine reliability. The failures have certainly put more pressure on the team. Going into every race with the looming threat of DNFs, having to turn down the engine and maybe push the car in slightly more extreme setups, having to drive a bit more on the edge as well. All of it together and it snowballs quite quickly. The fact that the car was competitive at every race despite this, should be all the more impressive.

There's no downplaying the mistakes and failures, but there's also no need to start catastrophizing. In a weird way I think the fact that the engine is the core problem makes the pill easier to swallow, as you can't deny it was the right strategy (going all-in for performance at the expense of reliability because of the engine freeze). Once they make the fixes they'll be set until 2026. I guess you could call that a silver lining?

The car is undeniably a good base, and all the updates have been successful too so there's no reason to think the car won't be good next year. There's still a few rough edges all around the team, operationally, on strategy and the drivers, let's be honest (though I wouldn't say they're as big as they're made out to be either). On the other hand we shouldn't ignore all the improvements they've made. Pit stops, tire wear/race pace, and yes, despite the blunders in Silverstone and Monaco, strategy has been fine in all other races, definitely better than last year. Since 2020, most issues that came up were addressed and improvements were made.

I see no reason to believe that with a reliable engine, all of it won't run smoother too. There's still more than a few reasons to be hopeful for the future of the team. This year however, despite how well it started, still needs to be considered a year of building. Of a team on its way up but just not quite there yet.

[Spoutnik]

The only to Ferrari to win this one is to be flawless till the end.
- Leclerc has to win or finish 2nd every races
- Sainz need to take points off Max
- Hamilton/Russell [if the upgrade works] has to be the McLaren/Lotus of 2012 to take points off Max too

Overall it's very complicated, but who knows, I think Max' luck has been very high since the engine failure. I would add that Charles or even Carlos will probaby be more aggressive in wheel to wheel with, having nothing to lose, it might lead to a Silverstone 2021... Lets see, I hope this Championship stay alive

[Spoutnik]

[djones]

I think he is overrated, but given who was realistically available as a driver, I can't help but think this championship would be a lot closer if they had signed Alonso.

His consistency and experience/ability to push strategy and things like that would have filled a gap Charles is leaving.