2022 French Grand Prix - Le Castellet, July 22 - 24

[LM10]

What a troll you are...

Did you not watch the race?
Was max in charles gearbox or not?
Answer that question.

What I saw is a Charles Leclerc, with a turned down engine, luring Max into the hope of being able to pass for 11 laps. Then lap 12 kicked in, and Charles decided to be serious, put in a 1.38.6 while Max could only manage the same boring lap time of 1.39.1 that he kept for 11 previous laps, and start to lap 0.3s faster per lap and under 1.39 by a margin, while Max was still lapping in the same old 1.39+, who was limited by his tires that were falling off, and a car that can only work relying on DRS and low DF setups, hoping for Ferrari to make a mistake.

Not once Charles defended in the entry to the Mistral straight chicane, he knew perfectly well Max was never going to pass. Plenty of others in the same situation (sometimes only 0.3s ahead) left the racing line to defend and compromised traction out of the chicane, Perez did for example, both against Carlos and against Russell. But Charles wasn't really fighting, he was playing with his food.

The clear and obvious tire fall off forced Max to pit to try and avoid a worse embarrassment than in Austria. Even forced RedBull to change strategy to a 1 stopper because they realized they were never going to do much without track position, except Carlos Ferrari was so superior he literally looped around the other RedBull around T14, a move no one else was able to pull on supposedly equivalent cars.

Max was ultimately saved only by a driver error, who was putting in purple mini sectors on 18 lap old Mediums and for the past 2 laps was just 0.4s slower than the brand new hards on Max's car, exactly like in Austria. This was going to be another embarrassment.

No question that Max makes fewer mistakes than Charles, but Ferrari is superior six ways from Sunday.

Enjoy the WCC perhaps, but too bad it's a slower car: Max knows it, Horner knows it, Newey knows it. And this is all that matters in the end.

I could have not described the situation better. Perfectly summarized!

[aran.vtec]

What a troll you are...

Did you not watch the race?
Was max in charles gearbox or not?
Answer that question.

What I saw is a Charles Leclerc, with a turned down engine, luring Max into the hope of being able to pass for 11 laps. Then lap 12 kicked in, and Charles decided to be serious, put in a 1.38.6 while Max could only manage the same boring lap time of 1.39.1 that he kept for 11 previous laps, and start to lap 0.3s faster per lap and under 1.39 by a margin, while Max was still lapping in the same old 1.39+, who was limited by his tires that were falling off, and a car that can only work relying on DRS and low DF setups, hoping for Ferrari to make a mistake.

Not once Charles defended in the entry to the Mistral straight chicane, he knew perfectly well Max was never going to pass. Plenty of others in the same situation (sometimes only 0.3s ahead) left the racing line to defend and compromised traction out of the chicane, Perez did for example, both against Carlos and against Russell. But Charles wasn't really fighting, he was playing with his food.

The clear and obvious tire fall off forced Max to pit to try and avoid a worse embarrassment than in Austria. Even forced RedBull to change strategy to a 1 stopper because they realized they were never going to do much without track position, except Carlos Ferrari was so superior he literally looped around the other RedBull around T14, a move no one else was able to pull on supposedly equivalent cars.

Max was ultimately saved only by a driver error, who was putting in purple mini sectors on 18 lap old Mediums and for the past 2 laps was just 0.4s slower than the brand new hards on Max's car, exactly like in Austria. This was going to be another embarrassment.

No question that Max makes fewer mistakes than Charles, but Ferrari is superior six ways from Sunday.

Enjoy the WCC perhaps, but too bad it's a slower car: Max knows it, Horner knows it, Newey knows it. And this is all that matters in the end.

For some reason it was extremally hard to pass cars here this year and it showed up and down the grid If you take Carlos over take numbers away as he was out of position you left with 14 for the whole race,

It was also going to be a 1 stopper when it was clear that overtaking was very bad once Charles had pitted he would of been behind Max and overtaking would of been very difficult.

Charles only went purple on the sector before he crashed pushing hard as they realized they were going to loose track position.

[Just_a_fan]

For some reason it was extremally hard to pass cars here this year and it showed up and down the grid If you take Carlos over take numbers away as he was out of position you left with 14 for the whole race,

I think the answer to why it was difficult to pass is quite simple - the new regulations allow cars to follow but those same rules have massively reduced the tow available to the following car. The result is that even with DRS, overtakes were very difficult. Had the big straight been one long straight without the chicane, things would have likely been different, but the layout just highlighted the lack of tow available from the current cars.

[ringo]

What a troll you are...

Did you not watch the race?
Was max in charles gearbox or not?
Answer that question.

What I saw is a Charles Leclerc, with a turned down engine, luring Max into the hope of being able to pass for 11 laps. Then lap 12 kicked in, and Charles decided to be serious, put in a 1.38.6

You know this is purely speculation on your part and using your imagination?
You refuse to accept what was obvious. You are speaking as if you are the strategist and mind coach for ferrari and you expect to be taken seriously.

while Max could only manage the same boring lap time of 1.39.1 that he kept for 11 previous laps, and start to lap 0.3s faster per lap and under 1.39 by a margin, while Max was still lapping in the same old 1.39+, who was limited by his tires that were falling off, and a car that can only work relying on DRS and low DF setups, hoping for Ferrari to make a mistake.

Not once Charles defended in the entry to the Mistral straight chicane, he knew perfectly well Max was never going to pass. Plenty of others in the same situation (sometimes only 0.3s ahead) left the racing line to defend and compromised traction out of the chicane, Perez did for example, both against Carlos and against Russell. But Charles wasn't really fighting, he was playing with his food.

The clear and obvious tire fall off forced Max to pit to try and avoid a worse embarrassment than in Austria. Even forced RedBull to change strategy to a 1 stopper because they realized they were never going to do much without track position, except Carlos Ferrari was so superior he literally looped around the other RedBull around T14, a move no one else was able to pull on supposedly equivalent cars.

Max was ultimately saved only by a driver error, who was putting in purple mini sectors on 18 lap old Mediums and for the past 2 laps was just 0.4s slower than the brand new hards on Max's car, exactly like in Austria. This was going to be another embarrassment.

No question that Max makes fewer mistakes than Charles, but Ferrari is superior six ways from Sunday.

Enjoy the WCC perhaps, but too bad it's a slower car: Max knows it, Horner knows it, Newey knows it. And this is all that matters in the end.

Yes this story is well writen by you.
But Redbull was the faster car at the stage in the race.

No matter how much insider stories you try to create, Max was clearly faster. Overtaking on the same tyre strategy was difficult at this race, but once a car is able to repeatedly stay in DRS, it is quicker.

We saw this with many cars in the race. The faster car need a tyre offset to overtake decisively.

[ringo]

For some reason it was extremally hard to pass cars here this year and it showed up and down the grid If you take Carlos over take numbers away as he was out of position you left with 14 for the whole race,

It was also going to be a 1 stopper when it was clear that overtaking was very bad once Charles had pitted he would of been behind Max and overtaking would of been very difficult.

Charles only went purple on the sector before he crashed pushing hard as they realized they were going to loose track position.

Thanks for speaking common sense.

to support the point;

https://www.racefans.net/2022/07/25/w ... -crash/

[chrisc90]

For some reason it was extremally hard to pass cars here this year and it showed up and down the grid If you take Carlos over take numbers away as he was out of position you left with 14 for the whole race,

It was also going to be a 1 stopper when it was clear that overtaking was very bad once Charles had pitted he would of been behind Max and overtaking would of been very difficult.

Charles only went purple on the sector before he crashed pushing hard as they realized they were going to loose track position.

Thanks for speaking common sense.

to support the point;

https://www.racefans.net/2022/07/25/w ... -crash/

I think Binotto's comments there are a bit naïve to the fact of why RB pitted Max when they did.

That will be the reason they will very rarely beat the likes of RB on strategy.

RB went for the undercut, and it worked. From judging by comments

[LM10]

For some reason it was extremally hard to pass cars here this year and it showed up and down the grid If you take Carlos over take numbers away as he was out of position you left with 14 for the whole race,

It was also going to be a 1 stopper when it was clear that overtaking was very bad once Charles had pitted he would of been behind Max and overtaking would of been very difficult.

Charles only went purple on the sector before he crashed pushing hard as they realized they were going to loose track position.

Thanks for speaking common sense.

to support the point;

https://www.racefans.net/2022/07/25/w ... -crash/

I think Binotto's comments there are a bit naïve to the fact of why RB pitted Max when they did.

That will be the reason they will very rarely beat the likes of RB on strategy.

RB went for the undercut, and it worked. From judging by comments

I’m sure you two will find some interesting reason to call the RedBull the faster car in a few days in Hungary too.
It’s understandable in your case. You’re a fan of RedBull. You even said that Leclerc had “massive tow” in the heat of the action right after Q3.
In case of ringo, I think he’s on a anti-F1-75 mission.

[dialtone]

For some reason it was extremally hard to pass cars here this year and it showed up and down the grid If you take Carlos over take numbers away as he was out of position you left with 14 for the whole race,

It was also going to be a 1 stopper when it was clear that overtaking was very bad once Charles had pitted he would of been behind Max and overtaking would of been very difficult.

Charles only went purple on the sector before he crashed pushing hard as they realized they were going to loose track position.

Thanks for speaking common sense.

to support the point;

https://www.racefans.net/2022/07/25/w ... -crash/

I think Binotto's comments there are a bit naïve to the fact of why RB pitted Max when they did.

That will be the reason they will very rarely beat the likes of RB on strategy.

RB went for the undercut, and it worked. From judging by comments

Data is pretty clear though, Max couldn't go below 1.39, Lec was comfortably at or below 1.38.8, RB was getting slower had no other hope but attempt a long stint to the limit of life of a hard tire. Same thing that Ferrari pulled in Baku that all Red Bull fans can't wait to say it was in the hands of Max.

24 lap old mediums literally looped around Perez 24 lap old hards.

Just no comparison.

[chrisc90]

So you both think the undercut wouldn't have worked?

[Gillian]

So you both think the undercut wouldn't have worked?

Unlikely imo, RB would have lost more pace later in the stint compared to Ferrari and there was no significant straight-line speed advantage for RB. Dialtone already pointed it all out.

[chrisc90]

So you both think the undercut wouldn't have worked?

Unlikely imo, RB would have lost more pace later in the stint compared to Ferrari and there was no significant straight-line speed advantage for RB. Dialtone already pointed it all out.

The only other side of the fence to that is that the RB would have had to defend against the Ferrari.

[ringo]

Thanks for speaking common sense.

to support the point;

https://www.racefans.net/2022/07/25/w ... -crash/

I think Binotto's comments there are a bit naïve to the fact of why RB pitted Max when they did.

That will be the reason they will very rarely beat the likes of RB on strategy.

RB went for the undercut, and it worked. From judging by comments

I’m sure you two will find some interesting reason to call the RedBull the faster car in a few days in Hungary too.
It’s understandable in your case. You’re a fan of RedBull. You even said that Leclerc had “massive tow” in the heat of the action right after Q3.
In case of ringo, I think he’s on a anti-F1-75 mission.

I am not emotionally attached to one team or the other. Dont waste your time trying to study my allegiance.
I do like the Ferrari in fact and i am happy if they can win a championship again. My opinion that they are disavtantaged on topspeed to redbull still holds from the start of the season.

On the other side of the coin the redbull car is a better race car in Max's hands, despite it not being great in qualifying and more track sensitive than the f175. It has advantages under braking, top speed, and reliability.

Max is just the more experienced driver and is making less mistakes than Leclerc. Sainz is actually the most clinical of the 3 but just isnt as fast as the other 2. Redbull team are battle hardened and genius with steategy. Ferrari are not.

All we have to do is simply watch the races without bias. I dont need to hate or like a team to have an opinion.

[ringo]

Thanks for speaking common sense.

to support the point;

https://www.racefans.net/2022/07/25/w ... -crash/

I think Binotto's comments there are a bit naïve to the fact of why RB pitted Max when they did.

That will be the reason they will very rarely beat the likes of RB on strategy.

RB went for the undercut, and it worked. From judging by comments

Data is pretty clear though, Max couldn't go below 1.39, Lec was comfortably at or below 1.38.8, RB was getting slower had no other hope but attempt a long stint to the limit of life of a hard tire. Same thing that Ferrari pulled in Baku that all Red Bull fans can't wait to say it was in the hands of Max.

24 lap old mediums literally looped around Perez 24 lap old hards.

Just no comparison.

Why use data without context?
Why not use your eyes and look on what's on the screen.
Max could have simply missued the tyre or was just having some poor laps, maybe his rhythm got thrown off. Intangible stuff like that can happen.

[dialtone]

So you both think the undercut wouldn't have worked?

Unlikely imo, RB would have lost more pace later in the stint compared to Ferrari and there was no significant straight-line speed advantage for RB. Dialtone already pointed it all out.

The only other side of the fence to that is that the RB would have had to defend against the Ferrari.

Ferrari didn't need to pass on the straight.



Here's the lap where Sainz passed Perez. 8kph faster on average through T10, 15kph faster through T11 braking point, went through T14-T15 section, which is 400m long, 6kph faster on average while being on the outside of T14, on 23 lap old mediums, and lapped almost 1 whole second faster that lap.

Perez, who is "incredible at saving tires"(cit), is 3rd in the championship, he's no slouch.

(cit):

EDIT: The best part is that you folks are here discussing irrelevant stuff at the end . Yeah Ferrari is the better car but it's not winning either championship. It's just that deep down it bothers RBR fans that despite all of british press and marko announcements about how Ferrari was never going to be able to keep up development, or that their engine was crap and were never even dreaming of being the best on the grid, they are there. The best car. And it burns more than being ahead in both WCC and WDC relieves . It's funny if you ask me.

[Vanja #66]

Max must have been saving tires by not passing Leclerc, but then chose to throw a spanner in the works and went to pit instead. Got in Leclerc's head, got him to push too hard, inherited the victory. Master plan.