2022 Oracle | Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Sieper]

Yes, it seems this will become a close knitted cooperation, a real factory Porsche-Redbull team.

[wesley123]

Porsche buying 50% of the Team seems well advanced and according to Karun, there could be an official announcement next week before the summer break:

https://the-race.com/formula-1/porsche- ... operation/

Considering how VW AG is definitely going to join the sport for over a decade by now, I am extremely doubtful about it.

Also, they all talk about Red Bull Technologies, and I have not found anything that would list Red Bull Racing as a subsidiary, all I found is that they are owned by Red Bull GmbH.

So apart from the doubt because of VW AG's history with not announcing things, the deal described doesn't even necessarily refer to the F1 team.

[SmallSoldier]

Porsche buying 50% of the Team seems well advanced and according to Karun, there could be an official announcement next week before the summer break:

https://the-race.com/formula-1/porsche- ... operation/

Considering how VW AG is definitely going to join the sport for over a decade by now, I am extremely doubtful about it.

Also, they all talk about Red Bull Technologies, and I have not found anything that would list Red Bull Racing as a subsidiary, all I found is that they are owned by Red Bull GmbH.

So apart from the doubt because of VW AG's history with not announcing things, the deal described doesn't even necessarily refer to the F1 team.

If it’s not for the F1 Team, why else would the deal be for?… Especially after Porsche has made clear the intention to join F1?

Let’s wait and see, apparently an announcement should be done in the short term… We will know by then

[wesley123]

If it’s not for the F1 Team, why else would the deal be for?…

The technology arm. It's not entirely strange or unreasonable that a company would buy a subsidiary of another company. For example Williams sold their hybrid arm quite a while ago, and in the past McLaren sold off parts of their company to an outside company.

Especially after Porsche has made clear the intention to join F1?

As far as I'm aware it was little more than an interview with an opinion piece, where it was the CEO's opinion that joining would be a good idea.

Let’s wait and see, apparently an announcement should be done in the short term… We will know by then

Problem here is that this is far beyond short term by now. Red Bull-Porsche rumors have been going around for like a year by now.

A part that also confuses me is that generally the consensus has been that Red Bull would be fine with selling off Alpha Tauri, yet what news sources imply is that this deal would mean anything but AT.

And rumors also include Audi, which now will apparently buy Sauber instead of McLaren(because why not). Seems fairly strange to spend quite a significant amount of money to battle in-house, as their markets do overlap quite a bit.

[SmallSoldier]

If it’s not for the F1 Team, why else would the deal be for?…

The technology arm. It's not entirely strange or unreasonable that a company would buy a subsidiary of another company. For example Williams sold their hybrid arm quite a while ago, and in the past McLaren sold off parts of their company to an outside company.

Especially after Porsche has made clear the intention to join F1?

As far as I'm aware it was little more than an interview with an opinion piece, where it was the CEO's opinion that joining would be a good idea.

Let’s wait and see, apparently an announcement should be done in the short term… We will know by then

Problem here is that this is far beyond short term by now. Red Bull-Porsche rumors have been going around for like a year by now.

A part that also confuses me is that generally the consensus has been that Red Bull would be fine with selling off Alpha Tauri, yet what news sources imply is that this deal would mean anything but AT.

And rumors also include Audi, which now will apparently buy Sauber instead of McLaren(because why not). Seems fairly strange to spend quite a significant amount of money to battle in-house, as their markets do overlap quite a bit.

That’s the biggest difference… In the past, there were nothing but rumors… Today is tangible evidence or a deal been penned by both parties.

There wouldn’t be anything strange about both Audi and Porsche competing in F1… Not only have they done so in the past (WEC), they also target different market segments… Both would benefit from the exposure that F1 brings.

We will find out soon enough I guess

[dxpetrov]

I actually feel positive after today's qualifications. The car was the fastest one on previously assuming Ferrari type of track.

[gshevlin]

I suspect that Porsche cannot buy a stake in Red Bull Powertrains because that company is using Honda IP as it builds and maintains the current power units. I bet there was a clause in the IP agreement forbidding any rival manufacturer from accessing that IP.

[ringo]

You could be right. Maybe Porsche wants to build its own engine, but redbull doesnt want the risk and rather use the honda engine and wear porsche stickers on the car similiar to that Tag Heur branded renault.
Tricky! Im not sure sure how they will work this out. Redbull should just ditch the honda unit and dive in fully with Porsche.

[saviour stivala]

If Porsche will get involved in formula 1 their minimum involvement will be an engine designed and manufactured by them. Stickers or no stickers stuck to the valve covers.

[saviour stivala]

You could be right. Maybe Porsche wants to build its own engine, but redbull doesnt want the risk and rather use the honda engine and wear porsche stickers on the car similiar to that Tag Heur branded renault.
Tricky! Im not sure sure how they will work this out. Redbull should just ditch the honda unit and dive in fully with Porsche.

Just imagine Porsche spending a single cent to have Porsche plastic stickers plastered on any other engine make valve covers. Some people imagination knows no bonds.

[mendis]

2026 engines require a lot of rethinking. Anyone that thinks it's just, minus MGUH would meet the fate of 2014 Renault/Ferrari. Fully sustainable fuel is going to add to the complexity. It then means Honda's current work or the philosophy isn't enough. This would require a complete philosophy overhaul. In that sense Honda shouldn't be a baggage. I am sure Red Bull and Porsche has thought through this and should be going in with clean drawing board.

[Alexf1]

I suspect that Porsche cannot buy a stake in Red Bull Powertrains because that company is using Honda IP as it builds and maintains the current power units. I bet there was a clause in the IP agreement forbidding any rival manufacturer from accessing that IP.

That's why they created a separate company called RBPT2026. Was mentioned a few pages back by chrisc90.

[Big Tea]

You could be right. Maybe Porsche wants to build its own engine, but redbull doesnt want the risk and rather use the honda engine and wear porsche stickers on the car similiar to that Tag Heur branded renault.
Tricky! Im not sure sure how they will work this out. Redbull should just ditch the honda unit and dive in fully with Porsche.

If the engine made by RBR/Porsche is not the one used in the car, they are not limited to testing are they?
Maybe they see where Honda got caught out

[chrisc90]

New PU's in the car this weekend for both Max and Checo. No penalty thankfully.

Wonder why they bringing a fresh engine to the pool.

[Jaisonas]

I suspect that Porsche cannot buy a stake in Red Bull Powertrains because that company is using Honda IP as it builds and maintains the current power units. I bet there was a clause in the IP agreement forbidding any rival manufacturer from accessing that IP.

The biggest thing RBPT does is put its sticker on the car. The PU is built and maintained by Honda in Japan.