2022 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[chrisc90]

Their floor is already compliant... Why do you need to be a troll?

No trolling? Genuine question. Especially when Binotto has claimed they are going to need to make changes; which is well documented.

Either they have already changed the floor to be compliant, or they have a floor waiting to test in Spa.

Fail to see where the trolling is there.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/disa ... /10335974/

boring... widely reported and discussed in this forum too that the floor change in France was compliant already.

And you're trolling because coming in the thread to ask a question like that, when your supported team has the same problem, is the definition of trolling. Go enjoy a beer after a deserved victory.

Ahh yes, trolling because of asking a question because dont follow ever precise letter in every thread on the forum.

It really wasn't hard to give a sensible answer without the personal attacks really was it?

[tpe]

I am still puzzled by the protection Sainz gets from Ferrari.
It makes no sense.
He should step aside, he was slower.
Also Leclerc has to up his comm game.
Ask to pass and if he fails to pass RUS, will give the position back.
Hamilton did it, so why not Leclerc?

He asked if Sainz could go faster and the engineer started the usual "Copy", "Checking" "We'll come back to you" clownshow.

That's why he should expose them.
Make the proposal instead of waiting for their pathetic answers.

[LM10]

No trolling? Genuine question. Especially when Binotto has claimed they are going to need to make changes; which is well documented.

Either they have already changed the floor to be compliant, or they have a floor waiting to test in Spa.

Fail to see where the trolling is there.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/disa ... /10335974/

boring... widely reported and discussed in this forum too that the floor change in France was compliant already.

And you're trolling because coming in the thread to ask a question like that, when your supported team has the same problem, is the definition of trolling. Go enjoy a beer after a deserved victory.

Ahh yes, trolling because of asking a question because dont follow ever precise letter in every thread on the forum.

It really wasn't hard to give a sensible answer without the personal attacks really was it?

You’ve come here to be provocative. That’s all.

Be happy Ferrari handed your favorite team yet another win. You should be thankful instead of being disrespectful and asking questions out of thin air just for the sake of provocation.

[Xyz22]

Fastest race pace and we end up 6th. Unbelievable. Never seen anything like what's happening this season with this team. Embarrassing.

[KeiKo403]

boring... widely reported and discussed in this forum too that the floor change in France was compliant already.

And you're trolling because coming in the thread to ask a question like that, when your supported team has the same problem, is the definition of trolling. Go enjoy a beer after a deserved victory.

Ahh yes, trolling because of asking a question because dont follow ever precise letter in every thread on the forum.

It really wasn't hard to give a sensible answer without the personal attacks really was it?

You’ve come here to be provocative. That’s all.

Be happy Ferrari handed your favorite team yet another win. You should be thankful instead of being disrespectful and asking questions out of thin air just for the sake of provocation.

I'm not trying to provoke or troll, just putting that out there upfront.

If Ferrari have brought a floor in France which is legal for when the new TD comes into effect isn't that essentially throwing away 2 races where they could continue to exploit a loophole or whatever we want to call it with their existing floor.

If they were going to bring an upgrade why not bring an upgraded floor to further exploit said loophole or whatever we want to call it until they definitely need to be legal from Spa.

So did they go from having a post TD illegal floor to a legal floor and seemingly not lose any performance? - Or would the smoothness of the France track not cause any issues for them but still be good to gather data from hence the seemingly no loss in performance?

[chrisc90]

Ahh yes, trolling because of asking a question because dont follow ever precise letter in every thread on the forum.

It really wasn't hard to give a sensible answer without the personal attacks really was it?

You’ve come here to be provocative. That’s all.

Be happy Ferrari handed your favorite team yet another win. You should be thankful instead of being disrespectful and asking questions out of thin air just for the sake of provocation.

I'm not trying to provoke or troll, just putting that out there upfront.

If Ferrari have brought a floor in France which is legal for when the new TD comes into effect isn't that essentially throwing away 2 races where they could continue to exploit a loophole or whatever we want to call it with their existing floor.

If they were going to bring an upgrade why not bring an upgraded floor to further exploit said loophole or whatever we want to call it until they definitely need to be legal from Spa.

So did they go from having a post TD illegal floor to a legal floor and seemingly not lose any performance? - Or would the smoothness of the France track not cause any issues for them but still be good to gather data from hence the seemingly no loss in performance?

Careful, you'll get wrong for trolling off some people for asking genuine questions.

I agree though, it makes PERFECT sense to exploit the loophole for 2 races and maximise your points from the loophole. Given they could run a compliant floor in practice to gather the data they need for when its going to be measured, or whatever tests they need to fulfill as part of TD039.

However, theres probably more concerning things going on within the team operationally than the floor they should be working on IMHO

[tpe]

Because of cost cap, one could say.
Bring a floor earlier if yoy think it will make no huge difference, gather data and optimize if needed later.

[LM10]

Ahh yes, trolling because of asking a question because dont follow ever precise letter in every thread on the forum.

It really wasn't hard to give a sensible answer without the personal attacks really was it?

You’ve come here to be provocative. That’s all.

Be happy Ferrari handed your favorite team yet another win. You should be thankful instead of being disrespectful and asking questions out of thin air just for the sake of provocation.

I'm not trying to provoke or troll, just putting that out there upfront.

If Ferrari have brought a floor in France which is legal for when the new TD comes into effect isn't that essentially throwing away 2 races where they could continue to exploit a loophole or whatever we want to call it with their existing floor.

If they were going to bring an upgrade why not bring an upgraded floor to further exploit said loophole or whatever we want to call it until they definitely need to be legal from Spa.

So did they go from having a post TD illegal floor to a legal floor and seemingly not lose any performance? - Or would the smoothness of the France track not cause any issues for them but still be good to gather data from hence the seemingly no loss in performance?

Your opinion seems to be that Ferrari was going to lose performance because of exploiting a loophole by using an illegally flexing floor. In fact, they’ve made a step forward with the new floor. So assuming they had an illegal floor before (which has been nothing more than an accusation), their current (surely legal) floor is even better now.

This should answer your question and also show that if that loophole was being exploited, it was not a significant one.

[LM10]

You’ve come here to be provocative. That’s all.

Be happy Ferrari handed your favorite team yet another win. You should be thankful instead of being disrespectful and asking questions out of thin air just for the sake of provocation.

I'm not trying to provoke or troll, just putting that out there upfront.

If Ferrari have brought a floor in France which is legal for when the new TD comes into effect isn't that essentially throwing away 2 races where they could continue to exploit a loophole or whatever we want to call it with their existing floor.

If they were going to bring an upgrade why not bring an upgraded floor to further exploit said loophole or whatever we want to call it until they definitely need to be legal from Spa.

So did they go from having a post TD illegal floor to a legal floor and seemingly not lose any performance? - Or would the smoothness of the France track not cause any issues for them but still be good to gather data from hence the seemingly no loss in performance?

Careful, you'll get wrong for trolling off some people for asking genuine questions.

I agree though, it makes PERFECT sense to exploit the loophole for 2 races and maximise your points from the loophole. Given they could run a compliant floor in practice to gather the data they need for when its going to be measured, or whatever tests they need to fulfill as part of TD039.

However, theres probably more concerning things going on within the team operationally than the floor they should be working on IMHO

Their new floor was a step forward performance wise. And it is in full compliance with the TD. So what floor should they be working on? You make no sense at all.

[pipoloko]

questions w/o answer yet
first stint SAI vas a bit faster than LEC both on meds
SAI pited lap 19
LEC >>> 22 (3 laps later)
2 nd pit stop
LEC lap 40 why?
SAI lap 48 (11 laps older than LEC's) ?????)
and LEC was faster than SAI both on Meds
end of the race
LEC 2 sec behind SAI ( VSC and with 1 more pit stop)
pitting on lap 40, reds will not last, pitting in lap 51 yes
why they decided to pit in lap 40? clearly on lap 40 only possible tires were whites
should be a good reason to have a pit stop 11 laps earlier
dont know what but should be a good reason >>>> just to cover Max??
again car behavior SAI vs LEC was very different at least on the last stint with reds
SAI was .5 slower or 1 sec than LECs , that is not driver
may be they trimed both cars a bit different just in case of rain? kind of gamble?

[KeiKo403]

Your opinion seems to be that Ferrari was going to lose performance because of exploiting a loophole by using an illegally flexing floor. In fact, they’ve made a step forward with the new floor. So assuming they had an illegal floor before (which has been nothing more than an accusation), their current (surely legal) floor is even better now.

This should answer your question and also show that if that loophole was being exploited, it was not a significant one.

Is that not a concern though? IF Ferrari were exploiting a loophole with an illegal floor the fact it wasn't bringing a significant advantage despite being developed since early on in the season (pre-season even maybe?) and yet when the FIA say they've got to redesign they're able to design a legal floor which is faster in a much shorter amount of time. What if the FIA hadn't of stepped in, could they have exploited more with the floor or had they reached a plateau and would've never found this faster floor?

The trolling word gets thrown around too much, I'm really not trying to troll here. Just thinking critically. I know you haven't accused me of trolling but just trying to pre-empt some replies.

[tpe]

Just add some fuel in the strategy fire.
Monte Carlo? That's all?
No. It's how you interpret the data...
https://blogs.oracle.com/connect/post/o ... -decisions

[LM10]

Is that not a concern though? IF Ferrari were exploiting a loophole with an illegal floor the fact it wasn't bringing a significant advantage despite being developed since early on in the season (pre-season even maybe?) and yet when the FIA say they've got to redesign they're able to design a legal floor which is faster in a much shorter amount of time. What if the FIA hadn't of stepped in, could they have exploited more with the floor or had they reached a plateau and would've never have found this faster floor?

The trolling word gets thrown around too much, I'm really not trying to troll here. Just thinking critically. I know you haven't accused me of trolling but just trying to pre-empt some replies.

I don’t really know what you’re talking about. What concerns? Don’t worry, Ferrari’s chassis people know what they’re doing. Ferrari’s problems clearly aren’t car or car development related.

[pipoloko]

if you guys use F1Tempo laps around lap 60 both on reds
the difference is in cornering at low speed
LEC is faster in every corner than SAI it is true that LEC's were 9 laps younger than SAI's
but 1 sec is too much IMO
therefore I firmly believe the issue or difference has to do with setup

[KeiKo403]

Is that not a concern though? IF Ferrari were exploiting a loophole with an illegal floor the fact it wasn't bringing a significant advantage despite being developed since early on in the season (pre-season even maybe?) and yet when the FIA say they've got to redesign they're able to design a legal floor which is faster in a much shorter amount of time. What if the FIA hadn't of stepped in, could they have exploited more with the floor or had they reached a plateau and would've never have found this faster floor?

The trolling word gets thrown around too much, I'm really not trying to troll here. Just thinking critically. I know you haven't accused me of trolling but just trying to pre-empt some replies.

I don’t really know what you’re talking about. What concerns? Don’t worry, Ferrari’s chassis people know what they’re doing. Ferrari’s problems clearly aren’t car or car development related.

I would see it as concerning if they design an illegal floor to exploit a loophole but it turns out they're slower because of it and they only got faster because the FIA updated the rules to better enforce what they initially intended.

In fact, they’ve made a step forward with the new floor. So assuming they had an illegal floor before (which has been nothing more than an accusation), their current (surely legal) floor is even better now.