Mercedes W13

[GrizzleBoy]

So after the Hungary pole. Any change of theories on the car by the naysayers?
The Zero pods to blame and front tyre wake , or something else for inconsistency?
Signs are pointing to suspension and floor. The car does have some hope. The concept is viable. The question is if its practical to have to deal with a concept that has such a narrow window of operation.

The car was assumed to have good downforce from the beginning but this is the first high downforce track they've been on where they've had no extreme bouncing or haven't crashed out.

They were looking excellent in Austria too until they both crashed out.

[NoDivergence]

In Spa, it'll be a dud again (unless the engine upgrade can do something about the engine deficit and draggy sidepods).
But congrats to the whole team for achieving their first pole with this crapcar .
What a shame, of all QWF's that the DRS of Lewis had to fail this weekend. Not last weekend or the week before, just right now when the car works. Typical!

Hungary is a high downforce track and the W13 had the third highest top speed, higher than Ferrari and Red bull at the trap.

[dialtone]

In Spa, it'll be a dud again (unless the engine upgrade can do something about the engine deficit and draggy sidepods).
But congrats to the whole team for achieving their first pole with this crapcar .
What a shame, of all QWF's that the DRS of Lewis had to fail this weekend. Not last weekend or the week before, just right now when the car works. Typical!

Hungary is a high downforce track and the W13 had the third highest top speed, higher than Ferrari and Red bull at the trap.

yeah, their setup is lower DF. Williams had a great S1 with even higher top speed today, 10kph above Ferrari. Being in lower DF today allowed teams to heat up tires properly so they were fast right away.

[ringo]

In Spa, it'll be a dud again (unless the engine upgrade can do something about the engine deficit and draggy sidepods).
But congrats to the whole team for achieving their first pole with this crapcar .
What a shame, of all QWF's that the DRS of Lewis had to fail this weekend. Not last weekend or the week before, just right now when the car works. Typical!

Hungary is a high downforce track and the W13 had the third highest top speed, higher than Ferrari and Red bull at the trap.

yeah, their setup is lower DF. Williams had a great S1 with even higher top speed today, 10kph above Ferrari. Being in lower DF today allowed teams to heat up tires properly so they were fast right away.

You keep pushing this low df theory. What were the cornering speeds?
And again you got yout theory in reverse.
More downforce, more core temps for the tyres.
As was mentioned in the other threads. The car has a good combination of mechanical anf aero setup. I doubt theyre running lower downforce.
We do not have that data, nor have the team themselves saying this.
Low downforce relative to what? what is normal downforce on this track? No one knows but the teams.

edit: note that low df would promote blistering of the tyres. The temp would just be on the surface and not in the core. A team wouldnt focus on superficial tyre temps just for a lap and then suffer from blisters the whole race.

The car runs well here. And its going against the naysayers theories on why the car is a pig.
But pigs flew to pole today.

The upgrades for W13 should spell trouble for ferrari or redbull.
The zero pods may well just be the best concept!

[dialtone]

Hungary is a high downforce track and the W13 had the third highest top speed, higher than Ferrari and Red bull at the trap.

yeah, their setup is lower DF. Williams had a great S1 with even higher top speed today, 10kph above Ferrari. Being in lower DF today allowed teams to heat up tires properly so they were fast right away.

You keep pushing this low df theory. What were the cornering speeds?
And again you got yout theory in reverse.
More downforce, more core temps for the tyres.
As was mentioned in the other threads. The car has a good combination of mechanical anf aero setup. I doubt theyre running lower downforce.
We do not have that data, nor have the team themselves saying this.
Low downforce relative to what? what is normal downforce on this track? No one knows but the teams.

edit: note that low df would promote blistering of the tyres. The temp would just be on the surface and not in the core. A team wouldnt focus on superficial tyre temps just for a lap and then suffer from blisters the whole race.

The car runs well here. And its going against the naysayers theories on why the car is a pig.
But pigs flew to pole today.

The upgrades for W13 should spell trouble for ferrari or redbull.
The zero pods may well just be the best concept!

Look man, this is OT for this thread, I'm happy to continue in the Mercedes team thread, although we just won't agree on it because you refuse to understand what I'm saying. And the high corners speed was lower for Mercs. Low df blisters would be a first though, as you say blisters require temperature from inside the tire, low DF won't build it there since it doesn't load the tire properly. This is OT, I'm not going to continue here.

[VacuousFlamboyant]

In Spa, it'll be a dud again (unless the engine upgrade can do something about the engine deficit and draggy sidepods).
But congrats to the whole team for achieving their first pole with this crapcar .
What a shame, of all QWF's that the DRS of Lewis had to fail this weekend. Not last weekend or the week before, just right now when the car works. Typical!

Hungary is a high downforce track and the W13 had the third highest top speed, higher than Ferrari and Red bull at the trap.

yeah, their setup is lower DF. Williams had a great S1 with even higher top speed today, 10kph above Ferrari. Being in lower DF today allowed teams to heat up tires properly so they were fast right away.

They weren't fast right away. Both Lewis and George acknowledge the grip came out of nowhere, meaning it took time to heat up the tyres. A low DF setup OR a setup for the rain is usually less kind to the rear tyres. Yes, with less DF they build heat abruptly with tyre skid, but low tyre temp is exactly the problem they were having until the last minute. Ride height, too, suggested a Dry High DF setup. The car being best suited for the race, without rain.

Ferrari's setup looks like in between the possible conditions for the race. I think it's fair to say Ferrari's pure performance in Hungary would be a notch higher if there was no possibility of rain.

[AA_2019]

Great result, beat Ferrari on merit today, but the car is still a long way off Red Bull

Max did virtually the same strategy as Russell, despite starting P9 he finished way ahead of Russell.

Saying Lewis had the pace to win were it not for the DRS issue in Qualy is not helpful, Max could have been at the front had he not had an engine issue. Comments like these disguise the inherent large deficit the W13 has to Red Bull.

[El_KaPpa]

On local television the commentators said that Mercedes came up with floor solutions without being tested in the wind tunnel.. so great efforts are being made. Does anyone know more about this aspect?

[rifrafs2kees]

Great result, beat Ferrari on merit today, but the car is still a long way off Red Bull

Max did virtually the same strategy as Russell, despite starting P9 he finished way ahead of Russell.

Saying Lewis had the pace to win were it not for the DRS issue in Qualy is not helpful, Max could have been at the front had he not had an engine issue. Comments like these disguise the inherent large deficit the W13 has to Red Bull.

No one said Merc is on equal footing with Red Bull. Every speculation that Merc could've won has been under the color of Max starting in 9th, with Hamilton on the front row.

Debating semantics and stating the obvious doesn't move the discussion forward. With that said, I'm sitting back for those in the know to spill some technical knowledge.

[Mchamilton]

In Spa, it'll be a dud again (unless the engine upgrade can do something about the engine deficit and draggy sidepods).
But congrats to the whole team for achieving their first pole with this crapcar .
What a shame, of all QWF's that the DRS of Lewis had to fail this weekend. Not last weekend or the week before, just right now when the car works. Typical!

Hungary is a high downforce track and the W13 had the third highest top speed, higher than Ferrari and Red bull at the trap.

yeah, their setup is lower DF. Williams had a great S1 with even higher top speed today, 10kph above Ferrari. Being in lower DF today allowed teams to heat up tires properly so they were fast right away.

Merc were never in a low DF config this weekend, they had their OG barn door rear wing on and a bigger top flap on the front wing.

[dialtone]

Hungary is a high downforce track and the W13 had the third highest top speed, higher than Ferrari and Red bull at the trap.

yeah, their setup is lower DF. Williams had a great S1 with even higher top speed today, 10kph above Ferrari. Being in lower DF today allowed teams to heat up tires properly so they were fast right away.

Merc were never in a low DF config this weekend, they had their OG barn door rear wing on and a bigger top flap on the front wing.

Everyone had a barn door wing. RUS was churning through tires.

[rifrafs2kees]

Incorrigible!

[Henri]

On local television the commentators said that Mercedes came up with floor solutions without being tested in the wind tunnel.. so great efforts are being made. Does anyone know more about this aspect?

They did it like adrian newey he just draws the car and it just works... its like using brain windtunnels in your mind lol

[Henri]

The car looked good. The new floor is working i.m confident at spa the.ll be in the mix

[Tvetovnato]

I would hold my horses a bit, since Saturday and Sunday were outliers in terms of how the tyres behaved on some cars, including Merc who for some reason got them into the sweetspot window. If they replicate this at Spa in all sessions where efficient downforce is necessary, we are going somewhere for real. But right now neither Merc or we know why they were as fast as they were yesterday and on Saturday. And as long as that is the case, we cannot trust the car to work properly going forward.