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[Cs98]

It was after all the drama in Baku that FIA threatened with a TD and all the suffering teams quietly fixed the problem "AFTER BAKU". Is it that hard for you to understand? What are you going on about? Mercedes did their best to drive a regulation change where they wanted "minimum ride height" to be imposed. But FIA came out with a completely different approach, which was fair and suddenly, Mercedes went quiet and the porpoising went away! You are being too silly with your arguments and repeating same non sensical stuff.

I'm dealing in facts. You are dealing in diatribe and finger pointing.

What you are saying then, is that Baku is the same as France, Silverstone, Austria and low speed Hungary? False.
"They quietly fixed the problem". That's absolutely false. Ferrari still porpoised, so did Mercedes and others.

Along comes Spa.

Every single team had to raise rear ride height. Horner even makes mention of it saying the RB needed to raise more than expected to meet the TD.
But how can the problem be solved AFTER BAKU if every single team needs to raise their rear ride height?

You are literally making stuff up and calling people silly for countering it.

Where did Horner say they had to change ride height due to the TD? Every interview I’ve read he says they didn’t have to change.

What you might be referring to is teams raising the rear ride height due to the nature of Eau Rogue, which mandates a slightly higher rear ride height to get through. Has always been the case.

[Quantum]

Where did Horner say they had to change ride height due to the TD? Every interview I’ve read he says they didn’t have to change.

What you might be referring to is teams raising the rear ride height due to the nature of Eau Rogue, which mandates a slightly higher rear ride height to get through. Has always been the case.

Blanchimont and Stavelot too.
I'm basing it off The Race and AMuS articles that teams had to raise more than expected.

Spa is a special case in terms of car ride height because of Eau Rouge and a nasty bump in the Stavelot corners. The teams had to raise their cars five to six millimetres higher than usual. This would have happened even without the Technical Directive, which many teams had hoped could become a stumbling block for Red Bull and Ferrari.

In fact, this time the ground clearance had to be increased by a bit more than the engineers had calculated. This was due to the ominous bump between turns 14 and 15.

[mendis]

It was after all the drama in Baku that FIA threatened with a TD and all the suffering teams quietly fixed the problem "AFTER BAKU". Is it that hard for you to understand? What are you going on about? Mercedes did their best to drive a regulation change where they wanted "minimum ride height" to be imposed. But FIA came out with a completely different approach, which was fair and suddenly, Mercedes went quiet and the porpoising went away! You are being too silly with your arguments and repeating same non sensical stuff.

I'm dealing in facts. You are dealing in diatribe and finger pointing.

What you are saying then, is that Baku is the same as France, Silverstone, Austria and low speed Hungary? False.
"They quietly fixed the problem". That's absolutely false. Ferrari still porpoised, so did Mercedes and others.

Along comes Spa.

Every single team had to raise rear ride height. Horner even makes mention of it saying the RB needed to raise more than expected to meet the TD.
But how can the problem be solved AFTER BAKU if every single team needs to raise their rear ride height?

You are literally making stuff up and calling people silly for countering it.

You are not dealing with anything other than denial of the fact that Mercedes lobbied to pull other teams back. FIA threatened with a TD that was unfavourable to Mercedes and they immediately put a control on porpoising. That's a fact.

[atanatizante]

As discussed numerous times before.. The RedBull floor slams against the ground in the corners, but it has a higher static ride height thus more suspension movement. The performance of the floor itself however cannot be assessed by simple photos from afar. Even running CFD on a reverse-engineered model from photos might not reveal how it is able to work so well for Mercedes would have copied it already!!

I beg to differ, coz at Spa from FP2 onwards we could clearly see how VER`s car almost magically absorbed every bump and kerbs on the track, particularly between Blanchimont and Bus stop chicane leading to such a stabile platform/car in order to do an optimum work/not disrupt both above and bellow aero ...

In this regard, rumours are saying that their suspension but most of all damping system is so advanced that it resembles an active suspension one ... thus the car`s balance didn't or bearly moves between the front and rear axel over the entire lap and braking into the corner is stable ... all these together lead to rising the drivers confidence to push the car to its limits, something that Merc`s drivers didn`t achieve yet, as know as I`m aware ...

[Quantum]

You are not dealing with anything other than denial of the fact that Mercedes lobbied to pull other teams back.

Absolute pure nonsense, again.
That's not a fact.
It also ignores every other team, and driver who experienced it.

FIA threatened with a TD that was unfavourable to Mercedes and they immediately put a control on porpoising. That's a fact.

That's absolutely not a fact
Every track since Baku has been less conducive to porpoising. A fact.
One you wilfully ignore to push the axe grind you have.

[Cs98]

Where did Horner say they had to change ride height due to the TD? Every interview I’ve read he says they didn’t have to change.

What you might be referring to is teams raising the rear ride height due to the nature of Eau Rogue, which mandates a slightly higher rear ride height to get through. Has always been the case.

Blanchimont and Stavelot too.
I'm basing it off The Race and AMuS articles that teams had to raise more than expected.

Spa is a special case in terms of car ride height because of Eau Rouge and a nasty bump in the Stavelot corners. The teams had to raise their cars five to six millimetres higher than usual. This would have happened even without the Technical Directive, which many teams had hoped could become a stumbling block for Red Bull and Ferrari.

In fact, this time the ground clearance had to be increased by a bit more than the engineers had calculated. This was due to the ominous bump between turns 14 and 15.

But in what article has Horner said they needed to raise the car because of the TD?

[Quantum]

Where did Horner say they had to change ride height due to the TD? Every interview I’ve read he says they didn’t have to change.

What you might be referring to is teams raising the rear ride height due to the nature of Eau Rogue, which mandates a slightly higher rear ride height to get through. Has always been the case.

Blanchimont and Stavelot too.
I'm basing it off The Race and AMuS articles that teams had to raise more than expected.

Spa is a special case in terms of car ride height because of Eau Rouge and a nasty bump in the Stavelot corners. The teams had to raise their cars five to six millimetres higher than usual. This would have happened even without the Technical Directive, which many teams had hoped could become a stumbling block for Red Bull and Ferrari.

In fact, this time the ground clearance had to be increased by a bit more than the engineers had calculated. This was due to the ominous bump between turns 14 and 15.

But in what article has Horner said they needed to raise the car because of the TD?

https://racer.com/2022/08/30/ride-heigh ... ed-at-spa/

Horner says the fact that teams needed to raise their ride height to counteract bottoming through Eau Rouge – especially with a new technical directive addressing plank wear – appeared to suit Red Bull far more than any other team.

[mendis]

You are not dealing with anything other than denial of the fact that Mercedes lobbied to pull other teams back.

Absolute pure nonsense, again.
That's not a fact.
It also ignores every other team, and driver who experienced it.

FIA threatened with a TD that was unfavourable to Mercedes and they immediately put a control on porpoising. That's a fact.

That's absolutely not a fact
Every track since Baku has been less conducive to porpoising. A fact.
One you wilfully ignore to push the axe grind you have.

If that nonsense helps consoling yourself, that's fine. You can even claim none of the circuits are conductive for porpoising anymore on the calendar as the issue is now solved. It suits your agenda.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/merc ... /10325913/

He believes that the Montreal weekend has shown that the porpoising issue – where the car moves up and down as load increases on the straight – has been eradicated after work the team has done.

[Quantum]

If that nonsense helps consoling yourself, that's fine. You can even claim none of the circuits are conductive for porpoising anymore on the calendar as the issue is now solved. It suits your agenda.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/merc ... /10325913/

He believes that the Montreal weekend has shown that the porpoising issue – where the car moves up and down as load increases on the straight – has been eradicated after work the team has done.

From Montreal....



Further to the evidence above, and taking motorsport.com's own quote from Wolff

"It is more that the ride of the cars is really what causes the comments of the drivers. The cars are simply all too stiff. The kerb ride is bad, the bump ride is bad and I would say that now, with dissecting this problem, you can tackle it better. What we see in the cars is just the stiffness, You look at some of the slow motions from the two leading cars and the Alpines, you see that they are bouncing off the kerb in a very hard way. This is what the drivers actually complained about, the stiffness of the car. This is something we need to look at: how we can reduce the impact. And of course, the smoother the track, the better. The lower the kerbs, the less we see this phenomenon."

[Stu]

Both of you need to stop this NOW!

It ceased to be a discussion some time ago

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[ringo]

It was after all the drama in Baku that FIA threatened with a TD and all the suffering teams quietly fixed the problem "AFTER BAKU". Is it that hard for you to understand? What are you going on about? Mercedes did their best to drive a regulation change where they wanted "minimum ride height" to be imposed. But FIA came out with a completely different approach, which was fair and suddenly, Mercedes went quiet and the porpoising went away! You are being too silly with your arguments and repeating same non sensical stuff.

I'm dealing in facts. You are dealing in diatribe and finger pointing.

What you are saying then, is that Baku is the same as France, Silverstone, Austria and low speed Hungary? False.
"They quietly fixed the problem". That's absolutely false. Ferrari still porpoised, so did Mercedes and others.

Along comes Spa.

Every single team had to raise rear ride height. Horner even makes mention of it saying the RB needed to raise more than expected to meet the TD.
But how can the problem be solved AFTER BAKU if every single team needs to raise their rear ride height?

You are literally making stuff up and calling people silly for countering it.

You are not dealing with anything other than denial of the fact that Mercedes lobbied to pull other teams back. FIA threatened with a TD that was unfavourable to Mercedes and they immediately put a control on porpoising. That's a fact.

Where is your proof that mercedes lobbied?
Toto haters keep saying things without proof.
The FIA had its own interests in doing this, not Toto. If it was toto pleaae provide evidence, because he has said the opposite.
Everything you said here has zero evidence or support. It seems as if you were reading fan comments on planetf1 or diversions from other teams.

[ringo]

Anyhow. mercedes should have a better idea of where to go with next year's car. The csr seems to be running well in Zandvort. Thry should see where the car works and doesnt work to give them direction. The concept they have now is not rubbish, it just doesnt work for all tracks for whatever reason.

[Quantum]

Where is your proof that mercedes lobbied?
Toto haters keep saying things without proof.
The FIA had its own interests in doing this, not Toto. If it was toto pleaae provide evidence, because he has said the opposite.
Everything you said here has zero evidence or support. It seems as if you were reading fan comments on planetf1 or diversions from other teams.

Bingo, Ringo.

Both of you need to stop this NOW!

It ceased to be a discussion some time ago

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Fair enough.

[PlatinumZealot]

It is looking good for qualifying.

Again a smooth track shows Tthe narrow pods do work well. It's the underfloor effect that needs to be made less ride sensitive.

[Jdn1327]

Yeah Lewis's flying lap was impeded a bit but he does have some very good long run pace in that car. Although track position does count for a lot on this surface