2022 Dutch Grand Prix - Zandvoort, Sep 02 - 04

[Wouter]

Guys, can we try to stop insulting millions just because? Can we stop and breathe before posting? Can we add some context to posts?
That aggressive looking guy, which I guess it is implied that was the flare thrower... he had been showered in beer. And he looked back (very) angry. Nothing more.

Do not try to pick fights here, thanks. Fights kill any chance of level-headed discussion.

This video is another angle from the crowd pic above:

https://www.dumpert.nl/item/100040282_8c99c8e9

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Sorry Hollus, but that man in your video is not the man in the photo that was removed.
That man in your video is not the man who was arrested!

There are completely different people around with completely different clothes an caps!

FIA intervenes after 'stupid action': smoke bomber detained for questioning

The man who threw a smoke pot on the track during qualifying for the Formula 1 race in Zandvoort has been arrested by the police. The organization of the Dutch Grand Prix has removed the man from the public and handed over to the police, who subsequently arrested him. He was still in custody for questioning Saturday night.
Sports editors 03-09-22, 20:34 Last update: 20:47

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[hollus]

Well, thanks for the correction! A few people look similar, but in close inspection... right, different crowd... and different guy. My bad.

Part of my point stays, posting "dutch_fans_bad.jpg" without context or explanation... please share what happened instead.

/I need new glasses /

[epo]

It does not have to be straight forward race. He can have a bad start or over cook the first turn. I do wonder if Hamilton has a chance to win here... if even by luck.

No he has not and I also hope not, that oke?

[TNTHead]

It does not have to be straight forward race. He can have a bad start or over cook the first turn. I do wonder if Hamilton has a chance to win here... if even by luck.

No he has not and I also hope not, that oke?

Every driver on the grid has a chance to win.

[AR3-GP]

Alpine and Mclaren won races last year.

[f1316]

The weird thing is that if the flare/smoke had prevented second runs, it would have done so at a time when Leclerc was on pole - denying Max the opportunity to go for the pole that he would eventually take.

So tl:dr: not very smart timing.

[organic]

Max asked in the post-quali press conference whether he was worried about the pace of Mercedes on the long runs and he simply answered "No."

From what I saw in fp2 Merc seemed to be right up there so I wonder what they know from the data that we can't see

[Sieper]

Because Mercedes generally has good race pace, but so far not to hang with Max. At any circuit.

[search]

I don't think he has ever been "worried" even about Mercedes last year, it's just not quite the way he approaches a race. Doesn't need to mean that he doesn't see them as an opponent tomorrow.

[ispano6]

Max has already said Mercedes aren't competitive this year so go figure!

[aleks_ader]

They arent competuitive. So what would he say?

[vorticism]

Say what you want about the Dutch, no one's rowdier than the Canadians.

[e30ernest]

I wonder if you can train dogs to detect flares and just post them on the entrances. That way if someone tries to smuggle flares in, they can get caught easier.

F1 should impose a zero-tolerance rule on bringing in flares to the circuit.

[mendis]

Toto must be confusing up and down.

Correction. Lewis wasn't even beating Sainz.

Max - 24,229; 24.556; 21.557
Lec - 24.155; 24.747; 21.461
Sai - 24.176; 24.627; 21.631
Ham - 24.252; 24.667; Yellow.

It’s not just Toto. Where is Mark Hughes getting this?

“At the point he was forced to lift, Hamilton was around 0.1s up.

A straightforward run for all three suggested the top 3 may well have been Leclerc-Hamilton-Verstappen.”

Data suggests otherwise. When he was down around 2 tenths by the end of second sector, to then go a tenth up in 2 or 3 mini sectors of 8, meaning he was 3 tenths faster in 2 or 3 mini sectors, that car has to have rocket speed. As a reference, Lewis did 21.746 for S3 on his first run in Q3. Russell did 21.790. Lewis needed to do 21.3xx in S3 to beat Verstappen. Compared to his own first lap of Q3, Lewis was up a tenth in S1 and down by a tenth in S2. For that to happen, he probably took more out of tyres in his second run in S1. That suggests, he wouldn't have tyres left for S3 to overachieve on his own previous S3 time

[Alexf1]

Does anyone have Ham minisectors up to point of lift? Hughes says that Toto saw Lewis getting from 1 tenth slower after turn 10 to 1 tenth faster after corner 11. My take is he wasn't cause reference to fastest time changed as soon as Leclerc had put in his 2nd run. Leclerc 2nd flying lap was faster but with a slower 2nd sector. Could well have been this that created the illusion to Toto. You can see this phenomenon on screen when Max is on his 2nd run when they show his split after having completed his 2nd sector, at first he's shown on screen being slower than Leclerc by 0.017 and as soon as Leclerc crosses the finishline Max split time changes to 0.117 faster than Leclerc.