2022 Dutch Grand Prix - Zandvoort, Sep 02 - 04

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The RedBull is also dominant. Reminds of Mercedes days. He walked George.
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Stewards
and Tsunoda helping max here.
Then Mercedes who should have put Lewis on the soft...just never realized that with so few laps left.. thats was the only way of winning.
Or the should have kept George out and sacrfice him to get their first win.
George really felt he had a chance.. but he doesnt on Redbull.
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organic wrote:
04 Sep 2022, 16:31
Merc thrown that away for lewis
Don't think so. With both on the mediums on the restart, it would've postponed it for a lap. Maybe two. Max was always gonna win with an sc/vsc pit window of time in hand, if it was to come out - one way or another.
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Nice strategy from AT and RB to help Max then FIA helped him as well when Bottas stopped the car in the starting grid at pit straight. Why FIA waited for Safety car to release? They released Safety car when Max at the start of Pit entry. Too much of politics in F1 sports as well. Any car stopped at starting grid straight should be immediate safety car.

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ringo wrote:
04 Sep 2022, 16:42
Stewards
and Tsunoda helping max here.
Then Mercedes who should have put Lewis on the soft...just never realized that with so few laps left.. thats was the only way of winning.
Or the should have kept George out and sacrfice him to get their first win.
George really felt he had a chance.. but he doesnt on Redbull.
Oh come on, stop it. Why on earth would RB risk a championship disqualification for racefixing, for a race win that they by no means need? It's just the most ridiculous stuff ever.
A lucky coincidence for RB, following absurd (but not malicious) decisions from AT.

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selvam_e2002 wrote:
04 Sep 2022, 16:44
Nice strategy from AT and RB to help Max then FIA helped him as well when Bottas stopped the car in the starting grid at pit straight. Why FIA waited for Safety car to release? They released Safety car when Max at the start of Pit entry. Too much of politics in F1 sports as well. Any car stopped at starting grid straight should be immediate safety car.
It will continue like this if they continue to try to please the croud which is mostly orange army.
That SC should have been called out right as Sainz overtook on the straight.
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
04 Sep 2022, 16:42
The RedBull is also dominant. Reminds of Mercedes days. He walked George.
You obviously don't rememeber Mercedes days, there were no battles for the win.

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Shrieker wrote:
04 Sep 2022, 16:43
organic wrote:
04 Sep 2022, 16:31
Merc thrown that away for lewis
Don't think so. With both on the mediums on the restart, it would've postponed it for a lap. Maybe two. Max was always gonna win with an sc/vsc pit window of time in hand, if it was to come out - one way or another.
I agree. I think they should had either counted their losses though, and pit both for softs, or kept both out on mediums and take their chances. Leaving LH out on mediums while taking the buffer of GR out, was a big mistake.

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McL-H wrote:
04 Sep 2022, 16:47
Shrieker wrote:
04 Sep 2022, 16:43
organic wrote:
04 Sep 2022, 16:31
Merc thrown that away for lewis
Don't think so. With both on the mediums on the restart, it would've postponed it for a lap. Maybe two. Max was always gonna win with an sc/vsc pit window of time in hand, if it was to come out - one way or another.
I agree. I think they should had either counted their losses though, and pit both for softs, or kept both out on mediums and take their chances. Leaving LH out on mediums while taking the buffer of GR out, was a big mistake.
Concurred on that. Either pit both for softs, or leave both out. I think they were worried about Russell's ability to keep somewhat of a decent pace on cold mediums, and didn't wanna throw his race down the drain when he called for help on the radio though.
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Race result is done, so it doesn't matter (and it made no difference to the result). Fastest car/driver combo won today.

But, if Crofty is right and you aren't meant to overtake before the start/finish line then I think Verstappen might have got lucky today. It's hard to tell as the front-on shot is a distance away, I only saw the replay live and there's two lines across the track but, if it's the same line they used at the start of the race, then Verstappen looked (in real time) like he was perhaps already ahead. He's good enough to judge it so he may well have timed it to perfection though.

Does anyone have screenshots?

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I admire MB allowing their drivers to compete, seems honest to me.

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Now I think about it more, merc probably ended up 3 and 4 with both on mediums so this is probably the better team result

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DChemTech wrote:
04 Sep 2022, 16:45
ringo wrote:
04 Sep 2022, 16:42
Stewards
and Tsunoda helping max here.
Then Mercedes who should have put Lewis on the soft...just never realized that with so few laps left.. thats was the only way of winning.
Or the should have kept George out and sacrfice him to get their first win.
George really felt he had a chance.. but he doesnt on Redbull.
Oh come on, stop it. Why on earth would RB risk a championship disqualification for racefixing, for a race win that they by no means need? It's just the most ridiculous stuff ever.
A lucky coincidence for RB, following absurd (but not malicious) decisions from AT.
It's a bit smelly though.

RB owned team with RB owned drivers creates the safety car under very strange circumstances (loose wheel AND loose seat belts AND loose diff) that gives RB driver win at RB drivers home race.

It's obviously going to stink of something to some people.


Also, Merc simultaneously giving their slower driver the faster tyres to attack for the win and leaving their faster driver defenseless was dumb.

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The better thing to do was to pit both for softs.

But anyhow we will now see what having a dominant car with a real #2 gives.

I think the mercedes days at least lewis teammates had freedom to race him.

Max will win the remaining races... Leclerc will no more for the year.

Question: Lewis changed from hard to soft... but why? Why didnt they put him on softs? #-o
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GrizzleBoy wrote:
04 Sep 2022, 16:52
DChemTech wrote:
04 Sep 2022, 16:45
ringo wrote:
04 Sep 2022, 16:42
Stewards
and Tsunoda helping max here.
Then Mercedes who should have put Lewis on the soft...just never realized that with so few laps left.. thats was the only way of winning.
Or the should have kept George out and sacrfice him to get their first win.
George really felt he had a chance.. but he doesnt on Redbull.
Oh come on, stop it. Why on earth would RB risk a championship disqualification for racefixing, for a race win that they by no means need? It's just the most ridiculous stuff ever.
A lucky coincidence for RB, following absurd (but not malicious) decisions from AT.
It's a bit smelly though.

RB owned team with RB owned drivers creates the safety car under very strange circumstances (loose wheel AND loose seat belts AND loose diff) that gives RB driver win at RB drivers home race.

It's obviously going to stink of something to some people.


Also, Merc simultaneously giving their slower driver the faster tyres to attack for the win and leaving their faster driver defenseless was dumb.
I know there is smell, that's why I ask people to think about it for a bit; why on earth would a team that leads by this much risk it all for a single race win? That's simply absurd.