2022 Dutch Grand Prix - Zandvoort, Sep 02 - 04

[Sevach]

Under what rule? As far as im aware you can brake or lift whenever you want without endagering anyone on the track.Alonso and Hamilton did this in Montreal some years ago for the DRS line,and Hamilton and Max did it last year as well.He could as well do it because technically in my understanding he is still in control before anyone crosses the line,unless i am reading things completely wrong. Anyway it wouldnt make any difference anyway,just sharing thoughts for the sake of conversation.

You are not suppoused to drive erratically under those conditions, braking in a straight line would count as that.
He can not accelerate after the final corner and drive slowly until near the line, he didn't go for this option.

[organic]

Max's lift before crossing the line. Prevents him from overtaking before allowed

[Big Tea]

Is there maybe a case to have 'safe areas' to retire cars into?
It can not be in all places, Bottas for instance was outside the pitlane, but an area when teams can be fined in if not used could prevent lots of SC's.

Then again, some you win, some you lose so it evens out

[DChemTech]

Because they know they can get away with it obviously.

No, that is not at all an 'obvious' reason. Even if they have 1% of getting caught, it's not worth it.

Occams razor here. If a theory seems absurd, it typically is.

It's less than 1% chance, it's zero.

No, if there was really misconduct, it's not zero. Slim, maybe, but not zero. And no win is worth that risk in this situation. Not even a home grandprix.

[Sevach]

https://streamable.com/pur1b3

Max's lift before crossing the line. Prevents him from overtaking before allowed

Mercedes straight line speed is a joke.

[DChemTech]

It's a bit smelly though.

RB owned team with RB owned drivers creates the safety car under very strange circumstances (loose wheel AND loose seat belts AND loose diff) that gives RB driver win at RB drivers home race.

It's obviously going to stink of something to some people.


Also, Merc simultaneously giving their slower driver the faster tyres to attack for the win and leaving their faster driver defenseless was dumb.

I know there is smell, that's why I ask people to think about it for a bit; why on earth would a team that leads by this much risk it all for a single race win? That's simply absurd.

Because they'll get away with it

These conspiracies are so ludicrous, they induce the biggest facepalm ever. So big, one might call it a spacepalm.

[Mchamilton]

Yuki don't know what to say

[Mogster]

There was a large pile up in the F2 feature race as the leader didn’t accelerate until well after pit entry. It was similar to the F1 Mugello 2020 crash, the cars at the back of the pack seemed to hold back a bit then trying to anticipate the leaders accelerating, the leading cars didn’t accelerate and the trailing pack rear ended the leading cars half way along the pit straight.

I just wonder if there had been any discussions about acceptable re-start behaviour..

[PlatinumZealot]

If toto wanted Lewis to win they should have put softs on him. Didn’t they learn from Dubai? Didn’t they learn from what happened at silverstone with Charles?

Even if Lewis lost track position, or even kept it to Max. Would Lewis of had the car to challenge Max for the win?

The mediums plan was logical with a buffer. But it still would not bave worked in the end.

Two on softs still would not have worked because of the pace of the car. Before allof this Max walked the field let's not forget.

When you had the second safety car that plan goes out the window. The 1 stop strategy goes clean out the window.

There was 2 scenarios.

Pit Lewis under the SC for a set of soft tyres, hope RB don’t pit in order to keep track position. Even if Lewis ended up 2nd place, being on the same tyre as near enough the rest of the grid puts you on the same playing field.

2 on softs would have absolutely worked. Stick some team orders in to protect Lewis for the 2nd place.

Sometimes keeping track position isn’t the way to go when the rest of the field is on a faster and softer tyre.

It’s absolute basics.

No.

Max pitted for softs under VSC for his second stop. So he already had the advantage in the case of a safety car.

[McL-H]

Yuki don't know what to say

He seemed to be very uncomfortable in that interview!

[Spacepace]

No, that is not at all an 'obvious' reason. Even if they have 1% of getting caught, it's not worth it.

Occams razor here. If a theory seems absurd, it typically is.

It's less than 1% chance, it's zero.

No, if there was really misconduct, it's not zero. Slim, maybe, but not zero. And no win is worth that risk in this situation. Not even a home grandprix.

That's just your opinion on what you think Red Bull's assessment of risk is. That doesn't mean that it is the case. So you can repeat that in as many ways as you can but doesn't change that is your opinion because really we don't know Red Bull's thought on the risk of it.

FIA still need to investigate things like this to keep the sport honest

[JordanMugen]

The order came when Yuki was already exitting the pit lane. He couldn't stop there.

Yep, a simple and rational explanation. Non-conspiracy.

I do think Yuki was lying about definitely not driving a lap with his seatbelts undone though IMO, lol.

He seemed to be very uncomfortable in that interview!

Just speaking carefully to avoid a penalty for the seatbelts (where of course he didn't already press the quick release when he first stopped the car and expected to get out ). Nothing too untoward.

[McL-H]

It is my opinion an F1 team should not be owning another F1 team, period. You want to leave out even the least suspicion of any race fixing.

Red Bull should just sell Alpha Tauri. Sell it to Andretti and we are done with these shenanigans.

[mzivtins]

Yuki don't know what to say

Hahaha tongue twisted from lying...

The engineers just wanted to tighten my belt, but they were fine haha yeah man of course.

[JordanMugen]

It is my opinion an F1 team should not be owning another F1 team, period.

Mercedes don't even own 100% of their own team, but they really should have a second team in order to have a place to put De Vries and Vandoorne. Manor was available but Mercedes didn't buy it for some reason. Aston Martin as a pseudo B-team is not enough IMO.

Honda and Red Bull had the correct approach with the Super Aguri and Toro Rosso teams. Having a B-team is the way to go.