2022 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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fritticaldi wrote:
07 Sep 2022, 00:20
Ferrari will have a revised livery for Monza. The drivers suits and gear will also change. The color is Giallo Modena.
Revised in the sense only cosmetic changes or any significant upgrade ?

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Xyz22 wrote:
06 Sep 2022, 23:23
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06 Sep 2022, 23:20
Xyz22 wrote:
06 Sep 2022, 23:15

…. Again, the impact of the TD is absolutely clear. There is no upgrade that would give such an advantage from a track to another. The F1 75 simply lost a ton of performance.
The performance loss might be related to the engine. Since the last engine failure, there seems to be some race pace loss.

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mendis wrote:
06 Sep 2022, 10:53
Alonsismo wrote:
06 Sep 2022, 02:01
leclerc pace advantage is only due to the car fitting him better.
Leclerc prefers oversteer cars
Sainz prefers understeer cars

Ferrari NEEDS a car with a better rear train and neutral balance because the actual car, slides a lot on the rear and this is costing a lot of performance on race pace and making both drivers prone to errors spining like the early season spins of sainz and most recent leclerc spins.
Do you know almost all the great drivers likes pointy and oversteery car? Equally, they can adapt if the car isn't up to their comfort and still get the best possible results and consistently beat their team mates. There is more time to be gained with an oversteery car than an understeery one. If a driver is unable to adapt to an oversteery car, then it's a problem with the driver. Blaming the car suiting his team mate is a pointless argument.

This year's pirelli fronts are suspectible for sliding and have less grip at the front and known to be understeery. Pirelli has already mentioned that they are going to cure it to provide more grip next year! If Sainz cannot adapt, then he is going down the Ricciardo way.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pire ... /10329084/
Pirelli plans to introduce a stronger front tyre next year to reduce the understeer that a number of Formula 1 drivers, including Max Verstappen, don’t like with the current cars.
Fernando Alonso, the GOAT of F1, preffers understeery cars.
that argument does not make sense.

2022 ferrari, is an oversteery car that has a very light rear and is prone to spin. This also make the car to have more tyre deg and overheat the tyres.

and not, an oversteery car is no faster than an understeery car, red bulls from 2010 to 2013, were understeery, and they are one of the greatest f1 cars ever made.

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Shal_Leg16 wrote:
07 Sep 2022, 05:12
fritticaldi wrote:
07 Sep 2022, 00:20
Ferrari will have a revised livery for Monza. The drivers suits and gear will also change. The color is Giallo Modena.
Revised in the sense only cosmetic changes or any significant upgrade ?
Livery change. Car will probably have upgrades circuit related. So RW wing from spa, and probably ICE turned on more.

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Xyz22 wrote:
06 Sep 2022, 23:23
RB was supposedly going to dominate in Austria. F1 is a very complex sport and it's difficult to predict what it's going to happen. Ferrari looked dominant in Hungary FP sessions with very high track temp while struggled more in the race with much lower temps. It can happen, and still the car was competitive for the win.

On the other hand, in SPA it was over 1s slower than the RB in every condition over the weekend and in Zandvoort around 0.5s slower than RB and 0.3s slower than Mercedes. Again, the impact of the TD is absolutely clear. There is no upgrade that would give such an advantage from a track to another. The F1 75 simply lost a ton of performance.
Bare in mind on that occasion that it was the Sprint Weekend, where the cars were locked in from FP1; Could've been the case that Ferrari hit the ground running with a better base setup compared to Red Bull, so they were always going to be behind being the case... Stupid rule...

I too feel something about the TD has slowed Ferrari down; Most likely in the way they need to run/setup the car with how they comply with it moving forward. I also reckon this weekend they're going to be fighting out with Mercedes again, and... like Zanvoort, will loose out again despite the drastic change in track requirements. Really hope I'm wrong...

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codetower wrote:
06 Sep 2022, 19:11
Ferrari set to run some yellow livery for Monza to celebrate their 75 years in F1.

https://f1i.com/news/453418-ferrari-set ... monza.html
Special livery means only one thing: double DNF :D

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So the F1-75 is not really "Yellow"... just some yellow accents:


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codetower wrote:
08 Sep 2022, 00:37
So the F1-75 is not really "Yellow"... just some yellow accents:

Even their marketing strategy snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.🙄

Yellow and black would have been heart-stopping!

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I think the trend of Ferrari being harsher on tyres (and hence stronger in quali than race) has been clear all year - even in Saudi and Miami, Red Bull had an advantage on tyre usage. Mercedes showed better tyre usage in Silverstone and elsewhere.

This gap in tyre usage has now increased. Is it because of the TD? Or have Ferrari gone down the wrong development path? We’ll see. My suggestion is the latter and it echoes 2018 if so.

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Alonsismo wrote:
07 Sep 2022, 09:45
mendis wrote:
06 Sep 2022, 10:53
Alonsismo wrote:
06 Sep 2022, 02:01
leclerc pace advantage is only due to the car fitting him better.
Leclerc prefers oversteer cars
Sainz prefers understeer cars

Ferrari NEEDS a car with a better rear train and neutral balance because the actual car, slides a lot on the rear and this is costing a lot of performance on race pace and making both drivers prone to errors spining like the early season spins of sainz and most recent leclerc spins.
Do you know almost all the great drivers likes pointy and oversteery car? Equally, they can adapt if the car isn't up to their comfort and still get the best possible results and consistently beat their team mates. There is more time to be gained with an oversteery car than an understeery one. If a driver is unable to adapt to an oversteery car, then it's a problem with the driver. Blaming the car suiting his team mate is a pointless argument.

This year's pirelli fronts are suspectible for sliding and have less grip at the front and known to be understeery. Pirelli has already mentioned that they are going to cure it to provide more grip next year! If Sainz cannot adapt, then he is going down the Ricciardo way.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pire ... /10329084/
Pirelli plans to introduce a stronger front tyre next year to reduce the understeer that a number of Formula 1 drivers, including Max Verstappen, don’t like with the current cars.
Fernando Alonso, the GOAT of F1, preffers understeery cars.
that argument does not make sense.

2022 ferrari, is an oversteery car that has a very light rear and is prone to spin. This also make the car to have more tyre deg and overheat the tyres.

and not, an oversteery car is no faster than an understeery car, red bulls from 2010 to 2013, were understeery, and they are one of the greatest f1 cars ever made.
While Fernando does like an understeery car as he says, he is one of the best drivers when it comes to adapting to cars. So don't mistake that an understeer car is better just because Fernando likes it. He is a driver that could hack the steering hard to put a bit more grip in the front, which makes him manipulate the car better. Not every driver can do that. Look at this video and you hear most drivers preferrring oversteer and KMag and Stroll say oversteer is faster. KMag also say, understeer is "easier" to drive. Easier, doesn't mean faster.

(Watch from 1:00)

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mendis wrote:
08 Sep 2022, 07:56
Alonsismo wrote:
07 Sep 2022, 09:45
mendis wrote:
06 Sep 2022, 10:53
Do you know almost all the great drivers likes pointy and oversteery car? Equally, they can adapt if the car isn't up to their comfort and still get the best possible results and consistently beat their team mates. There is more time to be gained with an oversteery car than an understeery one. If a driver is unable to adapt to an oversteery car, then it's a problem with the driver. Blaming the car suiting his team mate is a pointless argument.

This year's pirelli fronts are suspectible for sliding and have less grip at the front and known to be understeery. Pirelli has already mentioned that they are going to cure it to provide more grip next year! If Sainz cannot adapt, then he is going down the Ricciardo way.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pire ... /10329084/

Fernando Alonso, the GOAT of F1, preffers understeery cars.
that argument does not make sense.

2022 ferrari, is an oversteery car that has a very light rear and is prone to spin. This also make the car to have more tyre deg and overheat the tyres.

and not, an oversteery car is no faster than an understeery car, red bulls from 2010 to 2013, were understeery, and they are one of the greatest f1 cars ever made.
While Fernando does like an understeery car as he says, he is one of the best drivers when it comes to adapting to cars. So don't mistake that an understeer car is better just because Fernando likes it. He is a driver that could hack the steering hard to put a bit more grip in the front, which makes him manipulate the car better. Not every driver can do that. Look at this video and you hear most drivers preferrring oversteer and KMag and Stroll say oversteer is faster. KMag also say, understeer is "easier" to drive. Easier, doesn't mean faster.

(Watch from 1:00)
From a very high-level view, oversteering cars should be faster anyways. I always think about it like this: racing cars (at least in F1) gain lap time in the turns. Therefore a car which can turn faster will equate to better lap time. Oversteer turns better, and the limit of an oversteering car is almost always the skill of the driver. The limit of an understeering car is almost always its literal inability to turn (physics, lack of front grip, whatever you want to call it). The best way to make an understeering car faster is to induce oversteer, ironically. This is what Alonso does with his attacking steering inputs.

Look at Verstappen, for example. The Red Bull is developed to be on a knife-edge in terms of oversteer, because the limit of the driver is so high in controlling it.
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