2022 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 09 - 11

[LM10]

Monaco who won?. Spain who won?. Canada who won?. Did I say RB are faster at every track either way?. Seems you are reading my mind and reading it wrongly for that fact. It is not by mistake that Verstappen had 4 consecutive wins, 1 before and 3 after the TD, and you'd be deluded to disregard the pace Verstappen showed in FP3 and FP2 (+5 tenths) on his long runs in his pursuit for the win tomorrow.

Meanwhile the only races affected by DNFs are France, Baku and Spain. Verstappen has still won 7 races and only one of those were close races. Get yourself back into reality sir/madam.

It's very stupid to ask those questions about who won, depsite knowing what happened in those races.

Here we go.

Ignore the facts and create some some fictitious parameters to suggest the RB18 is not the cream of the field.

The RedBull has got the “cream of the field” only in the last couple of races (for whatever reason). Before that, Ferrari has simply shot themselves so many times and created this big point’s gap both in WDC and WCC. It says absolutely zero about actual car performance. I’ve never seen a season in which the points showed such an utterly unrepresentative picture regarding car performance like in the actual season. The F1-75 has been the class of the field more often than the RB18.

[chrisc90]

Charles should get the equivalent penalty to Checo. Im unsure what that was, but it should be the same.

Lap time deleted.

[Sofa King]

Watch Russell beat Leclerc tomorrow

It's very stupid to ask those questions about who won, depsite knowing what happened in those races.

Here we go.

Ignore the facts and create some some fictitious parameters to suggest the RB18 is not the cream of the field.

The RedBull has got the “cream of the field” only in the last couple of races (for whatever reason). Before that, Ferrari has simply shot themselves so many times and created this big point’s gap both in WDC and WCC. It says absolutely zero about actual car performance. I’ve never seen a season in which the points showed such an utterly unrepresentative picture regarding car performance like in the actual season. The F1-75 has been the class of the field more often than the RB18.

[mendis]

It's very stupid to ask those questions about who won, depsite knowing what happened in those races.

Here we go.

Ignore the facts and create some some fictitious parameters to suggest the RB18 is not the cream of the field.

The RedBull has got the “cream of the field” only in the last couple of races (for whatever reason). Before that, Ferrari has simply shot themselves so many times and created this big point’s gap both in WDC and WCC. It says absolutely zero about actual car performance. I’ve never seen a season in which the points showed such an utterly unrepresentative picture regarding car performance like in the actual season. The F1-75 has been the class of the field more often than the RB18.

It has been highlighted a few million times, but he his happy to ignore all of that and use the points gap to try and convince (not sure who) that Ferrari was never there in races.

[dxpetrov]

Don't understand RB at all. They want to risk a cockup from P7 just to have another engine in the pool for last 7 GPSs when they already got 2 fresh units and usable PU2, probably even the PU1. First two units were running and running without problem until Hungary! That's 13 gps, plus all FP sessions. Strange....

[chrisc90]

Don't understand RB at all. They want to risk a cockup from P7 just to have another engine in the pool for last 7 GPSs when they already got 2 fresh units and usable PU2, probably even the PU1. First two units were running and running without problem until Hungary! That's 13 gps, plus all FP sessions. Strange....

Max could literally sit out 3 GPs and be comfortably in the lead in the championship.

[LM10]

Watch Russell beat Leclerc tomorrow

Ok.

[fritticaldi]

Max will win all the remaining races even if he starts last. He is invinceable. The other cars are there just to tour around.

[search]

here's an explanation how grid penalties are applied from Masi in 2021, by the way

“Effectively, it’s a fixed position penalty is the best way to put it. If it’s a three grid spot penalty, you get all three grid spots and everyone moves around you. If the guy qualifies first and he gets a three grid slot penalty, he is fourth. "

https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/70232 ... i-napping/

So there's no moving up at all (unless no penalty-free drivers behind are left). Haven't had that in mind anymore when we discussed it earlier today.

[Wouter]

Seems Max does start P7

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I don't understand that. According the rules it is going like this.

[codetower]

Seems Max does start P7

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I don't understand that. According the rules it is going like this.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcT08srXwAI ... name=small

The only way P7 makes sense is if they first drop off the BOG drivers, move everyone up THEN assign the standard grid drops.

[falonso81]

Seems Max does start P7

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I don't understand that. According the rules it is going like this.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcT08srXwAI ... name=small

I think penalties are applied in the order they are given. They then bunch the grid up, which i think is not fair because when u have for example a 5 grid spot penalty to serve, it should be a 5 grid spot drop from where you qualified.

[ringo]

Redbull could have poled easily but decided the run higher wing instead. I think at this stage they are just playing around and trying stuff.
They will win with Max. He will clear up to Georg by lap 10.
George does have a chance of winning if Max get knocked out of the race.
I am not vrry confident in Ferrari for some reason. I just see it hard for Leclerc to win.

Lewis and Sainz may try something different but only a safety car can help them.

[Cs98]

Seems Max does start P7

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I don't understand that. According the rules it is going like this.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcT08srXwAI ... name=small

I think penalties are applied in the order they are given. They then bunch the grid up, which i think is not fair because when u have for example a 5 grid spot penalty to serve, it should be a 5 grid spot drop from where you qualified.

Idk. Doesn't it seem strange Ricciardo would move up to P4 when he really only qualified ahead of 3 people after penalties?

[search]

Seems Max does start P7

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I don't understand that. According the rules it is going like this.

that was my reading of the rules as well, but as Masi pointed out in the link posted above, the penalties are "fixed".

So VER moves from 2nd to 7th. PER from 4th to 14th. OCO from 11th to 16th. HAM/SAI and so on to the end of the grid. Then,as long as possible, the remaining cars without penalty are sorted in between.

Only when no other cars without penalty are left (in this case after Stroll in 12th), the penalized cars move up