2022 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 09 - 11

[Just_a_fan]

Not been to silverstone recently?

The crowd at Silverstone is a small minority of the 67 million people in Britain. And even amongst that august group of F1 fans, many aren't fans of Hamilton.

Same as every other country. Venues only have a limited attendance.
Whilst the fans at silverstone may not support 1 driver as much as say the Dutch GP, you are completely wrong to say the majority of U.K. fans don’t support Hamilton.

Who would you say they support? At pure speculation because there is no survey or anything done on U.K. fans and which driver they support.

How do you know I'm wrong?

As for who do they support, Norris and Russell both have good support amongst the crowd at Silverstone (just as Button used to).

And there are quite a few British Max fans, of course.

[chrisc90]

The crowd at Silverstone is a small minority of the 67 million people in Britain. And even amongst that august group of F1 fans, many aren't fans of Hamilton.

Same as every other country. Venues only have a limited attendance.
Whilst the fans at silverstone may not support 1 driver as much as say the Dutch GP, you are completely wrong to say the majority of U.K. fans don’t support Hamilton.

Who would you say they support? At pure speculation because there is no survey or anything done on U.K. fans and which driver they support.

How do you know I'm wrong?

As for who do they support, Norris and Russell both have good support amongst the crowd at Silverstone (just as Button used to).

And there are quite a few British Max fans, of course.

On the contrary… how do you know your right?

[Just_a_fan]

Same as every other country. Venues only have a limited attendance.
Whilst the fans at silverstone may not support 1 driver as much as say the Dutch GP, you are completely wrong to say the majority of U.K. fans don’t support Hamilton.

Who would you say they support? At pure speculation because there is no survey or anything done on U.K. fans and which driver they support.

How do you know I'm wrong?

As for who do they support, Norris and Russell both have good support amongst the crowd at Silverstone (just as Button used to).

And there are quite a few British Max fans, of course.

On the contrary… how do you know your right?

There are plenty of flags and banners supporting other drivers, including the other British drivers.

Away from Silverstone, plenty of people I've discussed F1 with don't have much good to say about Hamilton. He's not universally popular, contrary to what some would like to have people believe.

[CMSMJ1]

The discussion on whether people like Lewis or national racism etc has actually been handled fairly calmly to now - thanks all.

Can we drop it in here please? This is the Italian GP thread after all..

[AMG.Tzan]

RBR team and Max are in a different league at the moment and this domination is likely to continue for years to come. Perhaps till 2025.

Great drive for De Vries for scoring 2 points for Williams

Odd thing, the DeVries substitution.

I don't know if it more showed that Latifi doesn't belong in F1, or that Albon has only put the car in finishing places that a last minute rookie substitute was able to achieve...

Nice thought there!

I think the car was suited to Monza anyway so Albon would have maybe passed Gasly! Latifi is nowhere and should be fired as early as possible! Haas last year showed the teams that a better driver is a better option than a pay driver with millions of sponsor deals!

Maybe it's time Williams follows suit and bring in De Vries! So I would put De Vries somewhere near Albon with a bit more experience...I don't think Albon isn't fast enough!

[mendis]

The discussion on whether people like Lewis or national racism etc has actually been handled fairly calmly to now - thanks all.

Can we drop it in here please? This is the Italian GP thread after all..

And I thought race threads are open for garbage dumping starting Monday after the race!
So many times I wish, take away a bunch of notorious Lewis offenders and similarly notorious Lewis defenders and the race threads would be more calmer.

[dxpetrov]

If anyone ever wondered how would have Baku race end up if Leclerc didn't DNF, this race was perfect example. Back then Leclerc ran away from devastating pace of Verstappen by early cheap pit stop during VSC hoping to retain the position after RB had to stop and thus have a chance to fight for a win. Unfortunately the engine had gone ka-boom and we didn't have a chance to witness another obliteration by Verstappen.

[Zynerji]

RBR team and Max are in a different league at the moment and this domination is likely to continue for years to come. Perhaps till 2025.

Great drive for De Vries for scoring 2 points for Williams

Odd thing, the DeVries substitution.

I don't know if it more showed that Latifi doesn't belong in F1, or that Albon has only put the car in finishing places that a last minute rookie substitute was able to achieve...

Nice thought there!

I think the car was suited to Monza anyway so Albon would have maybe passed Gasly! Latifi is nowhere and should be fired as early as possible! Haas last year showed the teams that a better driver is a better option than a pay driver with millions of sponsor deals!

Maybe it's time Williams follows suit and bring in De Vries! So I would put De Vries somewhere near Albon with a bit more experience...I don't think Albon isn't fast enough!

No matter the 2023 situation with the driver market, DeVries would finish 2022 in the Williams of I were running the team. Ricciardo would be a great fit if DeVries does Alpine after this season.

[Big Tea]

Odd thing, the DeVries substitution.

I don't know if it more showed that Latifi doesn't belong in F1, or that Albon has only put the car in finishing places that a last minute rookie substitute was able to achieve...

Nice thought there!

I think the car was suited to Monza anyway so Albon would have maybe passed Gasly! Latifi is nowhere and should be fired as early as possible! Haas last year showed the teams that a better driver is a better option than a pay driver with millions of sponsor deals!

Maybe it's time Williams follows suit and bring in De Vries! So I would put De Vries somewhere near Albon with a bit more experience...I don't think Albon isn't fast enough!

No matter the 2023 situation with the driver market, DeVries would finish 2022 in the Williams of I were running the team. Ricciardo would be a great fit if DeVries does Alpine after this season.

I would very much like them to give Latifi a weekend off and see a direct comparison of Albon and De Vries.

If Alpine were considering a rookie like Oscar, they should seriously consider Nyc.
His age is a little against him as a long term prospect but he has demonstrated he can do a job.

[basti313]

Nice thought there!

I think the car was suited to Monza anyway so Albon would have maybe passed Gasly! Latifi is nowhere and should be fired as early as possible! Haas last year showed the teams that a better driver is a better option than a pay driver with millions of sponsor deals!

Maybe it's time Williams follows suit and bring in De Vries! So I would put De Vries somewhere near Albon with a bit more experience...I don't think Albon isn't fast enough!

No matter the 2023 situation with the driver market, DeVries would finish 2022 in the Williams of I were running the team. Ricciardo would be a great fit if DeVries does Alpine after this season.

I would very much like them to give Latifi a weekend off and see a direct comparison of Albon and De Vries.

If Alpine were considering a rookie like Oscar, they should seriously consider Nyc.
His age is a little against him as a long term prospect but he has demonstrated he can do a job.

And you two are kicking about 100 employees for this?

You have noticed that Latifi is paying ~25% of the Williams budget?

[saviour stivala]

A team like Williams will make strict use of a money weighbridge at their front gate.

[vorticism]

You easily copy an engine by literally buying the best engine available. lol
You cannot do that witha aero.

https://f1-insider.com/wp-content/uploa ... s-1200.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERIFqtBXYAE1Duk.jpg
Did Merc sell parts to RP or did RP copy Merc? Renault nor Ferrari nor Honda would have been able to buy a contemporary Mercedes power unit for research. Why would Merc have sold them one? By the same logic, a team could buy bodywork or last years car from another team and copy it; again, though, why would any team do that? "Buy the best available" as you say.

You dont need to research the PU. A team just buys it. I am making a distinction between PU and aero. Formula 1 regulations are such that a team must build its chassis and aero. It does not have to do that for an engine.

You said a few times it's easy to "copy" an engine. Copy in English is not a synonym for purchase. It implies duplication of an object. Copying a PU would not be a trivial matter or both teams and other engine manufacturers would have done it.

It can simply buy it. That's what Williams did in 2014 and they went from midfeild to podium finishers. It was a very realistic jump up the grid.

Same for Merc, midfield to 1st thanks to the same engine swap. You're saying Merc would have sold RB power units 2014 onwards had they knocked on the door?

Now you cannot make such an easy jump if aero is the performance differentiator and the engines are frozen and basically the same.

Ferrari may have had something akin to this in 2010 and 2012. Finished within 3 or 4 points of RB those years in the WDC.

With Newey being a ground effect specialist, 2023 will still have redbull in a class of their own. What the FIA should have done is have a spec under floor, or much more restrictive one, if they really wanted to save cost and increase competition.

The FIA could have supplied a spec PU to the entire field in 2014 onwards under the same reasoning; saves cost and enhances competition. Maybe Merc could have been the supplier. Would this have given the results you seek?

[Logie]

Nice thought there!

I think the car was suited to Monza anyway so Albon would have maybe passed Gasly! Latifi is nowhere and should be fired as early as possible! Haas last year showed the teams that a better driver is a better option than a pay driver with millions of sponsor deals!

Maybe it's time Williams follows suit and bring in De Vries! So I would put De Vries somewhere near Albon with a bit more experience...I don't think Albon isn't fast enough!

No matter the 2023 situation with the driver market, DeVries would finish 2022 in the Williams of I were running the team. Ricciardo would be a great fit if DeVries does Alpine after this season.

I would very much like them to give Latifi a weekend off and see a direct comparison of Albon and De Vries.

If Alpine were considering a rookie like Oscar, they should seriously consider Nyc.
His age is a little against him as a long term prospect but he has demonstrated he can do a job.

Was just think that, De Vries could be a solid option for a year for Alpine and im guessing wouldnt cost any where near as much as Ric/Gas. Not sure how long Gasly has left under his RB contract but De Vries looks like he could fill the gap

[Wouter]

Well, this is great. Ferrari fans were booing and singing while the Dutch national anthem was played! Unimaginable.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CiYv4wLIFP2 ... NYq5To1Y0/

[Big Tea]

No matter the 2023 situation with the driver market, DeVries would finish 2022 in the Williams of I were running the team. Ricciardo would be a great fit if DeVries does Alpine after this season.

I would very much like them to give Latifi a weekend off and see a direct comparison of Albon and De Vries.

If Alpine were considering a rookie like Oscar, they should seriously consider Nyc.
His age is a little against him as a long term prospect but he has demonstrated he can do a job.

And you two are kicking about 100 employees for this?

You have noticed that Latifi is paying ~25% of the Williams budget?

I have mentioned in several of my other posts that Latifis' job at Williams is to provide the finance, but I see no problem with allowing A 'once off' as it is unlikely to affect Latifis' points total, or at worst a couple of FP runs at the same track.