2022 Singapore Grand Prix - Marina Bay, Sep 30 - Oct 02

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Re: 2022 Singapore Grand Prix - Marina Bay, Sep 30 - Oct 02

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chrisc90 wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 17:58
You could probably look at lap time under the SC and divide that by the track length to get the average speed.

Beats me why they dont use something a bit faster.
In Monza, the SC was too fast and that it why the F1 cars took soooooo loooon to bunch behind it, I made a long post about it.
Here it was "too slow". Can't win, can it? Damned if you don't, damned if you do!
In reality it is a powerful road legal car and it is always going to struggle with the corners compared to the fastest aero cars in the world that would like their tires to stay at 100°C, thank you very much.
It is the same speed for everyone at the end of the day.
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It will end up being a 5 second penalty for Per, not a 10. FIA figures, they enforce a penalty, but not change the outcome.

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Spoutnik wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 18:07
Aesop wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 18:03
214270 wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 17:52

This one was especially poor, he was made to look completely amateur. Forced HAM into a mistake of pure frustration because of how slow he was driving & even NOR could’ve had him tyre-for-tyre on the M, until he settled for the points.
If you can force a 7 time WC in to an error like that I wouldn't call it poor driving:)

And how the hell is it possible Hamilton never suffers any major damage?
Hamilton is a specialist at bringing the car home. He keeps his hand on the wheel at slow speed when hitting the wall and he hit the wall straight if he can. Do not park into the gravel by hitting the clutch.
It happened multiple time
Germany 2019 : Hulk and Leclerc DNF with the same mistakes but not him
Imola 2021
Yup Lewis has mastered getting away with self inflicted accidents. Probably the GOAT at it.
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Re: 2022 Singapore Grand Prix - Marina Bay, Sep 30 - Oct 02

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CHT wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 18:03
chrisc90 wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 17:58
You could probably look at lap time under the SC and divide that by the track length to get the average speed.

Beats me why they dont use something a bit faster.
Lack of competition for SC I guess. Perhaps when Audi or Porsche joins in 2026, we may see something quicker.
AWD R8 plz🥰

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This race reminded me of Imola earlier this year. Rain before the start, then the cars dry the racing line so effectively the track becomes 2M wide. Unfortunately the environmental conditions mean the track off the racing line never dries. Race ruined.

I’ve always thought this race would better all round if it was held a couple of hours earlier in daylight. At least the track temperature would be higher and the tyres would have a chance of working.

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Re: 2022 Singapore Grand Prix - Marina Bay, Sep 30 - Oct 02

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hollus wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 18:10
chrisc90 wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 17:58
You could probably look at lap time under the SC and divide that by the track length to get the average speed.

Beats me why they dont use something a bit faster.
In Monza, the SC was too fast and that it why the F1 cars took soooooo loooon to bunch behind it, I made a long post about it.
Here it was "too slow". Can't win, can it? Damned if you don't, damned if you do!
In reality it is a powerful road legal car and it is always going to struggle with the corners compared to the fastest aero cars in the world that would like their tires to stay at 100°C, thank you very much.
It is the same speed for everyone at the end of the day.
was it even slow at all? At the first running, Albon and Magnussen didn't even make it to the back of the queue before the restart

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codetower wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 18:11
It will end up being a 5 second penalty for Per, not a 10. FIA figures, they enforce a penalty, but not change the outcome.
What is the normal penalty for this type of infringment?

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cplchanb wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 18:27
codetower wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 18:11
It will end up being a 5 second penalty for Per, not a 10. FIA figures, they enforce a penalty, but not change the outcome.
What is the normal penalty for this type of infringment?
Binotto mentioned something in 2020.

Bottas in 2021 dropped back a tonne from Hamilton in order to double stack and nothing got even mentioned.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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cplchanb wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 18:27
codetower wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 18:11
It will end up being a 5 second penalty for Per, not a 10. FIA figures, they enforce a penalty, but not change the outcome.
What is the normal penalty for this type of infringment?
last one I can remember getting a penalty for this is Vettel in 2010. He got a drivethrough

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chrisc90 wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 18:29
cplchanb wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 18:27
codetower wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 18:11
It will end up being a 5 second penalty for Per, not a 10. FIA figures, they enforce a penalty, but not change the outcome.
What is the normal penalty for this type of infringment?
Binotto mentioned something in 2020.

Bottas in 2021 dropped back a tonne from Hamilton in order to double stack and nothing got even mentioned.
Totally different infringement and irrelevant. But you know that.

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Tiny73 wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 18:33
chrisc90 wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 18:29
cplchanb wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 18:27


What is the normal penalty for this type of infringment?
Binotto mentioned something in 2020.

Bottas in 2021 dropped back a tonne from Hamilton in order to double stack and nothing got even mentioned.
Totally different infringement and irrelevant. But you know that.
Whats the different infringement?

All cars have to keep within 10 cars of the SC and each other once the train is formed.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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What actually was the infringement on Perez's behalf? At the time I thought it was because he caught the Safety car before it actually reached the pit line on the restart, but the commentators kept saying it was either dropping back or urging on the SC

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chrisc90 wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 18:34
Tiny73 wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 18:33
chrisc90 wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 18:29


Binotto mentioned something in 2020.

Bottas in 2021 dropped back a tonne from Hamilton in order to double stack and nothing got even mentioned.
Totally different infringement and irrelevant. But you know that.
Whats the different infringement?

All cars have to keep within 10 cars of the SC and each other once the train is formed.
Because Lewis wasn’t the safety car. But you knew that too.

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Tiny73 wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 18:38
chrisc90 wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 18:34
Tiny73 wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 18:33


Totally different infringement and irrelevant. But you know that.
Whats the different infringement?

All cars have to keep within 10 cars of the SC and each other once the train is formed.
Because Lewis wasn’t the safety car. But you knew that too.
Of course Lewis wasnt the safety car. Lewis was behind the SC, and went to pit, and Bottas dropped back from Lewis (in a train) to double stack.

What rule is there to say that the car behind another one can drop back more than 10 car length?

There isnt one....but you know that.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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Re: 2022 Singapore Grand Prix - Marina Bay, Sep 30 - Oct 02

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cplchanb wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 18:27
codetower wrote:
02 Oct 2022, 18:11
It will end up being a 5 second penalty for Per, not a 10. FIA figures, they enforce a penalty, but not change the outcome.
What is the normal penalty for this type of infringment?
I believe (but not 100% certain) it’s a 5 sec per infringement. Ferrari claiming it happened twice. Not sure if that’s twice under the same SC or on two separate SC’s. But I doubt he’ll get 10.

Personally I don’t like to see my team win on technicalities. I don’t believe Lec lost because of the safety car. Unless it significantly gained Perez an advantage, I’m fine with it. On to Japan…