2021 Cost Cap Rumours and Speculation

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Certificates have been issued. Can’t say who has or hasn’t been issued them as of yet…..

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Multiple sources report that Red Bull has indeed exceeded the budget cap in 2021. But the sometimes circulating amounts are nonsense. It would be about 1 to 2 million dollars. Not in terms of car development, but due to costs such as catering and absenteeism due to illness.
Red Bull will probably be fined. That is not yet officially known and is still something between the team and the FIA. Team must first accept a penalty, or notify it to appeal.

FIA confirms that Red Bull is the team with a 'minor overspend breach'. Aston Martin has made a mistake in the procedure. Penalties for those two teams have not yet been announced. But it is expected to result in a fine.
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I guess this confirms FIA is leaky as a sieve. Hopefully the punishment is severe to prevent this going forward

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$1-2M is not small though if what other teams say their upgrades cost are to believed.

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Back to the risk vs reward scenario then….

All depends if the punishment/fine fits the risk of a overspend.

Also slightly concerning how this information has been leaked before the results have come out.
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e30ernest wrote:
10 Oct 2022, 17:09
$1-2M is not small though if what other teams say their upgrades cost are to believed.
Pretty sure the overspend comes from catering/absenteeism rather than development, from what I've been reading

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organic wrote:
10 Oct 2022, 17:08
I guess this confirms FIA is leaky as a sieve. Hopefully the punishment is severe to prevent this going forward
Because that's the issue here? :lol:
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organic wrote:
10 Oct 2022, 17:01

Multiple sources report that Red Bull has indeed exceeded the budget cap in 2021. But the sometimes circulating amounts are nonsense. It would be about 1 to 2 million dollars. Not in terms of car development, but due to costs such as catering and absenteeism due to illness.
Red Bull will probably be fined. That is not yet officially known and is still something between the team and the FIA. Team must first accept a penalty, or notify it to appeal.

FIA confirms that Red Bull is the team with a 'minor overspend breach'. Aston Martin has made a mistake in the procedure. Penalties for those two teams have not yet been announced. But it is expected to result in a fine.
How can you say that the overspend wasn't on the car but on absentees and other non car stuff?

Overspend is overspend.

Who decides where each dollar over the cap comes from where?

Otherwise why not just find out how much say transport costs, spend that exact amount over the cap and say "well it was for transport not the car"?
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Quantum wrote:
10 Oct 2022, 17:11
organic wrote:
10 Oct 2022, 17:08
I guess this confirms FIA is leaky as a sieve. Hopefully the punishment is severe to prevent this going forward
Because that's the issue here? :lol:
It's an issue.. there can be more than 1 issue...

And for the record about the punishment i meant on Red Bull for overrunning rather than AMR for just procedural breach - expect procedural breach to just result in a fine. RB should get a hefty constructors point deduction at very least
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chrisc90 wrote:
10 Oct 2022, 17:10
Back to the risk vs reward scenario then….

All depends if the punishment/fine fits the risk of a overspend.

Also slightly concerning how this information has been leaked before the results have come out.
So you’re more concerned about how the information leaked than the fact Redbull have been found cheating?

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organic wrote:
10 Oct 2022, 17:12
Quantum wrote:
10 Oct 2022, 17:11
organic wrote:
10 Oct 2022, 17:08
I guess this confirms FIA is leaky as a sieve. Hopefully the punishment is severe to prevent this going forward
Because that's the issue here? :lol:
It's an issue.. there can be more than 1 issue...

And for the record about the punishment i meant on Red Bull for overrunning rather than AMR for just procedural breach - expect procedural breach to just result in a fine. RB should get a hefty constructors point deduction
The way your reply read was that the leaks are more of an issue than the clear breaking of Rules by Red Bull.
"Interplay of triads"

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chrisc90 wrote:
10 Oct 2022, 17:10
Back to the risk vs reward scenario then….

All depends if the punishment/fine fits the risk of a overspend.

Also slightly concerning how this information has been leaked before the results have come out.
Oh and also, it’s ok to cheat providing you gain more than you potentially lose?

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morefirejules08 wrote:
10 Oct 2022, 17:13
chrisc90 wrote:
10 Oct 2022, 17:10
Back to the risk vs reward scenario then….

All depends if the punishment/fine fits the risk of a overspend.

Also slightly concerning how this information has been leaked before the results have come out.
So you’re more concerned about how the information leaked than the fact Redbull have been found cheating?
It’s called deflection :lol: