2021 Cost Cap Rumours and Speculation

[MtthsMlw]

Rb statement

[MV8]

So now we have to cheer on cheaters? because that what they did, cheated :/

[bonjon1979]

We don’t know the full story yet, but I think that the manner in which it has been dealt with, really doesn’t look good for the FIA, especially as it seems to have been delayed to not overshadow Red Bull’s championship win this weekend. Since when was the governing body’s priority, making sure that teams that have been found to have broken the rules don’t have their victories overshadowed? All the other teams are going to want to know exactly what’s gone on, so the FIA had better not have tried to minimise what’s gone out because it will come out eventually.

[LM10]

So finally it's official now. After all, as always, it actually was true that where is smoke, there is fire.

Considering Alfa Romeo for example have 2.4 million dollars for in-season-development available, one can only think of the possibilities in terms of performance gain when you overshoot the budget cap by up to 2 millions.


Fred Vasseur:

You have to understand that sometimes with €200,000 you can bring a big update. And if you overshoot the budget by this, it's a couple of tenths for more than one race.

Otmar Szafnauer:

At the margin, any spend above the margin is spent on performance: And once you start spending on performance where others don't get a chance to, because they've actually stuck to the budget cap, that's serious.

I didn't know spending for catering/absenteesm can also provide performance to the car.

I don't buy anything of that and at the same time I'm not surprised you happily buy it.

If you use up your whole budget and still need more money, it means that you spent your money less strictly in all other areas.

[Tvetovnato]

Will they disclose how much it was? Would be interesting to put it in relation to Mercedes’ claim that they had to refrain from bringing a new floor last year worth 300K which would have made their car quicker.

[mendis]

So finally it's official now. After all, as always, it actually was true that where is smoke, there is fire.

Considering Alfa Romeo for example have 2.4 million dollars for in-season-development available, one can only think of the possibilities in terms of performance gain when you overshoot the budget cap by up to 2 millions.


Fred Vasseur:

Otmar Szafnauer:

I didn't know spending for catering/absenteesm can also provide performance to the car.

I don't buy anything of that and at the same time I'm not surprised you happily buy it.

If you use up your whole budget and still need more money, it means that you spent your money less strictly in all other areas.

That was a fun statement. FIA doesn't mention where the over expenditure was and I trust what the FIA says. As much as we trusted them when they handled the matters when a team got away with burning oil to gain an advantage or another one burning excess fuel, circumventing fuel flow meter to gain an advantage. This is part of the sport where teams push to gain an advantage. So let's trust FIA one more time.

[InsaneX_Badger]

Rb statement
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeuCoalX0AY ... ame=large

Tbh, I think they know and accept that they are over the cap. But in my opinion what has left RB with 'surprise and disappointment' was the fact that rival teams knew a lot about RB cost cap issues through leaks from the FIA, and is probably dragging their heels in to embarrass the FIA even more because of the recent events, and I can't blame them. Even if they have been found to breach the cost cap, the manner it has occurred in the media and through the rival teams is wrong and shouldn't have happened.

[KeiKo403]

Rb statement
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeuCoalX0AY ... ame=large

I can’t believe this RB statement at all. Wolff and Binotto have been vocal enough that they overspent, how can RB be so ‘surprised’?

Thinking about the sick pay though, just a wild out there thought…what if RB asked their staff to call in sick on days when they’re travelling between races while still sitting on a plane?

[Quantum]

I don't buy anything of that and at the same time I'm not surprised you happily buy it.

If you use up your whole budget and still need more money, it means that you spent your money less strictly in all other areas.

Precisely.

First they denied it totally.
Then they push it off as catering and illness after the fact of being caught.
Why would anyone give credence to the excuses.

Or the fact that you could squeeze 10 or 20 extra tech guys handing out sandwiches on race weekends while also doing other work.
It simply doesn't add up and is making a mockery of the FIA's rules and those that followed it.

[mendis]

Will they disclose how much it was? Would be interesting to put it in relation to Mercedes’ claim that they had to refrain from bringing a new floor last year worth 300K which would have made their car quicker.

For all you know, it might have been a couple of hundred pounds. As FIA doesn't mention it for now, we can either look at it as a couple of hundred dollars (from RB fan perspective) or a 4.99% of cost cap (from an RB adversary perspective). Both would be correct assumptions.

[Hoffman900]

I mean absenteeism, so instead of the salaries counting against the cap, they just did billable time, and everyone who has worked in consulting knows the games that are played there.

Max is a worthy champion, but the house around him stinks.

[mendis]

Rb statement
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeuCoalX0AY ... ame=large

I can’t believe this RB statement at all. Wolff and Binotto have been vocal enough that they overspent, how can RB be so ‘surprised’?

Because it was RB who submitted the documents to FIA, not Wolff and Binotto.

[Tvetovnato]

Will they disclose how much it was? Would be interesting to put it in relation to Mercedes’ claim that they had to refrain from bringing a new floor last year worth 300K which would have made their car quicker.

For all you know, it might have been a couple of hundred pounds. As FIA doesn't mention it for now, we can either look at it as a couple of hundred dollars (from RB fan perspective) or a 4.99% of cost cap (from an RB adversary perspective). Both would be correct assumptions.

I’m not interested in any fan perspective, I’m interested in facts, which I sure hope will come out for the all but lost credibility of this sport.

[mendis]

Will they disclose how much it was? Would be interesting to put it in relation to Mercedes’ claim that they had to refrain from bringing a new floor last year worth 300K which would have made their car quicker.

For all you know, it might have been a couple of hundred pounds. As FIA doesn't mention it for now, we can either look at it as a couple of hundred dollars (from RB fan perspective) or a 4.99% of cost cap (from an RB adversary perspective). Both would be correct assumptions.

I’m not interested in any fan perspective, I’m interested in facts, which I sure hope will come out for the all but lost credibility of this sport.

Did we get one from 2019?

[LM10]

I didn't know spending for catering/absenteesm can also provide performance to the car.

I don't buy anything of that and at the same time I'm not surprised you happily buy it.

If you use up your whole budget and still need more money, it means that you spent your money less strictly in all other areas.

That was a fun statement. FIA doesn't mention where the over expenditure was and I trust what the FIA says. As much as we trusted them when they handled the matters when a team got away with burning oil to gain an advantage or another one burning excess fuel to gain an advantage. This is part of the sport where teams push to gain an advantage. So let's trust FIA one more time.

Completely to the contrary of what you say, the FIA is not even close to being trustworthy in what they say. The FIA saying that RedBull overshot the budget cap and gained a significant performance advantage in doing so, would be a really huge thing. It would put both titles of Max in doubt and at the same time it would mean that the FIA was unable to monitor such a sensitive thing. Do you really think the FIA wants that mess?