.Behind The Charge | Max Verstappen Wins F1 Championship in Japan
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How time flies. Oracle Red Bull Racing are back in Suzuka for the frist time since 2019 for the Japanese Grand Prix and the Bulls
head into the weekend knowing Max Verstappen could be crowned F1 champion once again.
Join the Dutchman, Sergio Perez and Christian for more behind-the-scenes access.
Congratulations, Max."
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Congrats and thanks again to Verstappen for winning the championship at the F1™ Japanese GP!
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No more major updates planned for the RB18 in 2022
According to Red Bull's Chief Technical Officer, Rob Marshall, the team at Milton Keynes has switched to developing next years car now that they have nearly secured both championships.
"All focus is now fully on 2023. There are still some very minimal things to come, but there will be no major updates between now and the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix," he told the F1 Nation Podcast.
Unsurprising - probably just some small changes like tweaks to fences/floor. Radio silence on the chassisThe latest updates to the RB18 came at Singapore, where the team opted to introduce a floor upgrade to a race outside of Europe according to Red Bull Chief Engineer, Paul Monaghan.
"It was about a few millimetres of changes here and there, but we were able to do that after we had no damage to our floors in Belgium, the Netherlands and Italy," he explained to media.
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Ricciardo was the third best driver of 2020 with Renault, and scored multiple podiums with the 5th fastest car that season.selvam_e2002 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2022, 10:24I am speaking with data because previous two drivers from RB could not prove them self out side of RB comfort zone.
This same praises and comparison happened with Vettel as well. This is happening for Max now.
He’s already comfortably above Surtees in the all time rankings.
When you resort to criticizing Max for seasons where he a teenager, you’ve already lost the argument. The supposed greats you listed above weren’t even good enough to be in F1 at that age.He lost to Ricciardo over multiple seasons. He hasn't had a single team mate of note since.
You forgot to mention the most important part: he won the title with a car that was slower than his rival.He won his first championship, by a hair, under 'unusual' circumstances, during a year when RBR broke the cost cap, against an old man driving perhaps the worst season of his career up until that point.
His car isn’t half as dominant as the Mercedes cars from 2014-2020 and yet he’s won more races than Hamilton ever has in a season, with 4 races still remaining. Figure that one out.He's won this year, but in a car that has won almost every race that both drivers didn't DNF (whilst, given the overlapping nature of F1, possibly benefiting from last year's illegality)
Remind me, when did Verstappen become a motorcycle world champion?
It's a fact, not a criticism. Or did he beat Ricciardo? And there's not much of a bar to getting into F1 is there? Taki Inoue anyone? The point made earlier about Alonso and a struggling Schumacher was far more valid and could've sparked an interesting discussion over whether Alsono is a great or a product of good PR. Perhaps a topic for another time/thread.
He's not though, is he? Wasn't good enough for McLaren. Beaten by Hulk over 1 of their three seasons together, barely edges out a young Ocon in their first season together. He had a great 2020, but finished 10th in 2019, 8th in 2018, a creditable 7th in 2017 and 2016 and 9th in 2015. He is a pretty consistent midfield performer and has good tyre-preservation. But no one has ever spoken about him as if he was WDC quality. I'd also be wary of dragging everything back to Hamilton (which is a weird fixation throughout your post). If Perez = Bottas, which one of Verstappen's RBR team mates is the peak-Alonso to rookie Hamilton equivalent? Albon? Gasly? And who would be the Button equivalent? Not Perez, as he was dumpstered so hard by Button that he was dropped (despite his sponsorship money).
Debatable. But, even if true, it doesn't make him a Legend, yet.
And yet the race threads were filled with people from this very Topic constantly (and accurately) pointing out how many mistakes he'd made and how poor his racecraft was. And this season started off with several of the same people pointing out that Hamilton is so bad he should retire.
Given the wide time period you listed, also debatable. Regardless, you can only beat what's in front of you, which was a point I thought I made quite clearly? And, if you have the best car and your team mate is only 'consistently best of the midfield' then... Or, to put it another way, how many races do you think the object of your fixation would have won if Perez was in the other Mercedes during its period of dominance? Fewer? or More?
Verstappen had no sponsorship money but had Mercedes and Red Bull fighting over his signature at the age of 16, which is basically unheard of for any driver ever. That is what tends to happen when you have by far the best go-karting career of all time.Incognito wrote: ↑16 Oct 2022, 02:09It's a fact, not a criticism. Or did he beat Ricciardo? And there's not much of a bar to getting into F1 is there? Taki Inoue anyone? The point made earlier about Alonso and a struggling Schumacher was far more valid and could've sparked an interesting discussion over whether Alsono is a great or a product of good PR. Perhaps a topic for another time/thread.
Not really a meaningful argument because Verstappen never went up against the likes of Alonso, Rosberg or Button so we don't actually know how he would do against them. For all we know, Verstappen would have been more convincing against the likes of Rosberg and Button than Hamilton was. Indeed, would a prime Verstappen (age 26-31) be outscored by a second tier driver like Rosberg or Button in equal machinery? I highly doubt it.He's not though, is he? Wasn't good enough for McLaren. Beaten by Hulk over 1 of their three seasons together, barely edges out a young Ocon in their first season together. He had a great 2020, but finished 10th in 2019, 8th in 2018, a creditable 7th in 2017 and 2016 and 9th in 2015. He is a pretty consistent midfield performer and has good tyre-preservation. But no one has ever spoken about him as if he was WDC quality. I'd also be wary of dragging everything back to Hamilton (which is a weird fixation throughout your post). If Perez = Bottas, which one of Verstappen's RBR team mates is the peak-Alonso to rookie Hamilton equivalent? Albon? Gasly? And who would be the Button equivalent? Not Perez, as he was dumpstered so hard by Button that he was dropped (despite his sponsorship money).
In the 2021 season, Hamilton was 36 while Verstappen was 23/24. Given that F1 drivers typically peak around 30, one could argue that Verstappen was as removed from his prime as Hamilton was.And yet the race threads were filled with people from this very Topic constantly (and accurately) pointing out how many mistakes he'd made and how poor his racecraft was. And this season started off with several of the same people pointing out that Hamilton is so bad he should retire.
Hamilton had a second rate driver like Bottas, the clear best car, and a 21 race calendar in 2019. W10 had comparable dominance over the field to the RB18. The result was him winning 11/21 races (52.4%).Given the wide time period you listed, also debatable. Regardless, you can only beat what's in front of you, which was a point I thought I made quite clearly? And, if you have the best car and your team mate is only 'consistently best of the midfield' then... Or, to put it another way, how many races do you think the object of your fixation would have won if Perez was in the other Mercedes during its period of dominance? Fewer? or More?
A few things:Kingshark wrote: ↑16 Oct 2022, 04:12Verstappen had no sponsorship money but had Mercedes and Red Bull fighting over his signature at the age of 16, which is basically unheard of for any driver ever. That is what tends to happen when you have by far the best go-karting career of all time.Incognito wrote: ↑16 Oct 2022, 02:09It's a fact, not a criticism. Or did he beat Ricciardo? And there's not much of a bar to getting into F1 is there? Taki Inoue anyone? The point made earlier about Alonso and a struggling Schumacher was far more valid and could've sparked an interesting discussion over whether Alsono is a great or a product of good PR. Perhaps a topic for another time/thread.
At the age of 16, most of the "greats" you listed were still finishing up in go-karting and hadn't even shown anything in junior Formula yet.
Not really a meaningful argument because Verstappen never went up against the likes of Alonso, Rosberg or Button so we don't actually know how he would do against them. For all we know, Verstappen would have been more convincing against the likes of Rosberg and Button than Hamilton was. Indeed, would a prime Verstappen (age 26-31) be outscored by a second tier driver like Rosberg or Button in equal machinery? I highly doubt it.He's not though, is he? Wasn't good enough for McLaren. Beaten by Hulk over 1 of their three seasons together, barely edges out a young Ocon in their first season together. He had a great 2020, but finished 10th in 2019, 8th in 2018, a creditable 7th in 2017 and 2016 and 9th in 2015. He is a pretty consistent midfield performer and has good tyre-preservation. But no one has ever spoken about him as if he was WDC quality. I'd also be wary of dragging everything back to Hamilton (which is a weird fixation throughout your post). If Perez = Bottas, which one of Verstappen's RBR team mates is the peak-Alonso to rookie Hamilton equivalent? Albon? Gasly? And who would be the Button equivalent? Not Perez, as he was dumpstered so hard by Button that he was dropped (despite his sponsorship money).
In the 2021 season, Hamilton was 36 while Verstappen was 23/24. Given that F1 drivers typically peak around 30, one could argue that Verstappen was as removed from his prime as Hamilton was.And yet the race threads were filled with people from this very Topic constantly (and accurately) pointing out how many mistakes he'd made and how poor his racecraft was. And this season started off with several of the same people pointing out that Hamilton is so bad he should retire.
Hamilton had a second rate driver like Bottas, the clear best car, and a 21 race calendar in 2019. W10 had comparable dominance over the field to the RB18. The result was him winning 11/21 races (52.4%).Given the wide time period you listed, also debatable. Regardless, you can only beat what's in front of you, which was a point I thought I made quite clearly? And, if you have the best car and your team mate is only 'consistently best of the midfield' then... Or, to put it another way, how many races do you think the object of your fixation would have won if Perez was in the other Mercedes during its period of dominance? Fewer? or More?
Verstappen had a second rate driver like Perez (who is as good as Bottas) and the clear best car. The result is him winning 12/18 races so far (66.7%) with the potential to break the win record.
I am ready for the excuses.
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