Mercedes W13

[dren]

Looks like a paper mache technique from the 13th century was used.

[murphy]

Mercedes has to modify new front wing design(reduce the size og the slot gap separators) after FIA complaint

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/M ... 946103.jpg

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... uegel-fia/

Thats not legal.

[Andi76]

Mercedes has to modify new front wing design(reduce the size og the slot gap separators) after FIA complaint

https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/M ... 946103.jpg

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... uegel-fia/

Thats not legal.

It is. But it should not be. The FIA should intervene and ban such outwashing devices for next season. We finally have rules that allow great racing. Whenever teams find such loopholes and try to create such outwash - they need to intervene and ban it. And i think they will and Mercedes is really wasting its time with putting effort in such devices.

[PlatinumZealot]

Because the wing pivot are like outwashing devices and are allowed then there is no precedent to ban the slot gap separators.

[Andi76]

Another angle of the new floor fence geometries

https://i.imgur.com/x1cfUxh.png

Rear of the W13 floor

https://i.imgur.com/bNwerRp.png

Looking pretty patched up/makeshift

I am curious how this will perform. Definetely creative, even if it reminds me a little bit Red Bulls beginning converging strakes. As they are very high it seems to me like they also want to direct some air on top of the tunnel inlet, too. They always lacked outwash at the front end of the floor and maybe this should also help in that regard.

[dans79]

Please define "crap". Do you work worth this stuff and have actual knowledge about it? And why would it matter if a basic printer could make it? You sound rather elitist.

You should look a bit deeper. CF-PEKK is FAA approved for finished parts in airplanes and helicopters. And the surface finish can be chemical vapor "smoothed", creating a continuous outer shell. It could, very easily, work as a load bearing part. I see no reason why it couldn't work as an air duct.

I said crap, because they add a very mild amount of stiffness, with almost zero reduction in weight. I'd add that assumes you are actually using filament that has short strands in it (usually less and 1mm in length). If you use filament with ground fibers, you aren't adding much more than a colorant.

For example here is a brand I'm familiar with. that has a 20% fiber to resin ratio.
https://www.3dxtech.com/product/carbonx-peek-cf20/

A run of the mill prepreg will have a 50% fiber to resin ratio, even a 60% ratio isn't hard to get ahold of. On top of that you are talking about fibers that are orders of magnitude longer than that found in filament, and oriented in a consistent way.

I said basic printer, because most of this is just marketing to pull in consumers who don't know any better. The whoo hoo i'm using carbon fiber types.

Machines exist thats uses continuous fiber, that gets your closer to what you would find in prepreg, but they aren't cheap, and still aren't on par with traditional layups.
https://anisoprint.com/solutions/desktop/
https://anisoprint.com/solutions/industrial/

[Zynerji]

Please define "crap". Do you work worth this stuff and have actual knowledge about it? And why would it matter if a basic printer could make it? You sound rather elitist.

You should look a bit deeper. CF-PEKK is FAA approved for finished parts in airplanes and helicopters. And the surface finish can be chemical vapor "smoothed", creating a continuous outer shell. It could, very easily, work as a load bearing part. I see no reason why it couldn't work as an air duct.

I said crap, because they add a very mild amount of stiffness, with almost zero reduction in weight. I'd add that assumes you are actually using filament that has short strands in it (usually less and 1mm in length). If you use filament with ground fibers, you aren't adding much more than a colorant.

For example here is a brand I'm familiar with. that has a 20% fiber to resin ratio.
https://www.3dxtech.com/product/carbonx-peek-cf20/

A run of the mill prepreg will have a 50% fiber to resin ratio, even a 60% ratio isn't hard to get ahold of. On top of that you are talking about fibers that are orders of magnitude longer than that found in filament, and oriented in a consistent way.

I said basic printer, because most of this is just marketing to pull in consumers who don't know any better. The whoo hoo i'm using carbon fiber types.

Machines exist thats uses continuous fiber, that gets your closer to what you would find in prepreg, but they aren't cheap, and still aren't on par with traditional layups.
https://anisoprint.com/solutions/desktop/
https://anisoprint.com/solutions/industrial/

Why would absolutely any of what you said have any remote influence on a non-load bearing cover?

Sometimes, I think you guys go out of your way to make mountains out of molehills.

[dans79]

Please define "crap". Do you work worth this stuff and have actual knowledge about it? And why would it matter if a basic printer could make it? You sound rather elitist.

You should look a bit deeper. CF-PEKK is FAA approved for finished parts in airplanes and helicopters. And the surface finish can be chemical vapor "smoothed", creating a continuous outer shell. It could, very easily, work as a load bearing part. I see no reason why it couldn't work as an air duct.

I said crap, because they add a very mild amount of stiffness, with almost zero reduction in weight. I'd add that assumes you are actually using filament that has short strands in it (usually less and 1mm in length). If you use filament with ground fibers, you aren't adding much more than a colorant.

For example here is a brand I'm familiar with. that has a 20% fiber to resin ratio.
https://www.3dxtech.com/product/carbonx-peek-cf20/

A run of the mill prepreg will have a 50% fiber to resin ratio, even a 60% ratio isn't hard to get ahold of. On top of that you are talking about fibers that are orders of magnitude longer than that found in filament, and oriented in a consistent way.

I said basic printer, because most of this is just marketing to pull in consumers who don't know any better. The whoo hoo i'm using carbon fiber types.

Machines exist thats uses continuous fiber, that gets your closer to what you would find in prepreg, but they aren't cheap, and still aren't on par with traditional layups.
https://anisoprint.com/solutions/desktop/
https://anisoprint.com/solutions/industrial/

Why would absolutely any of what you said have any remote influence on a non-load bearing cover?

Sometimes, I think you guys go out of your way to make mountains out of molehills.

Weight!

[Zynerji]

I said crap, because they add a very mild amount of stiffness, with almost zero reduction in weight. I'd add that assumes you are actually using filament that has short strands in it (usually less and 1mm in length). If you use filament with ground fibers, you aren't adding much more than a colorant.

For example here is a brand I'm familiar with. that has a 20% fiber to resin ratio.
https://www.3dxtech.com/product/carbonx-peek-cf20/

A run of the mill prepreg will have a 50% fiber to resin ratio, even a 60% ratio isn't hard to get ahold of. On top of that you are talking about fibers that are orders of magnitude longer than that found in filament, and oriented in a consistent way.

I said basic printer, because most of this is just marketing to pull in consumers who don't know any better. The whoo hoo i'm using carbon fiber types.

Machines exist thats uses continuous fiber, that gets your closer to what you would find in prepreg, but they aren't cheap, and still aren't on par with traditional layups.
https://anisoprint.com/solutions/desktop/
https://anisoprint.com/solutions/industrial/

Why would absolutely any of what you said have any remote influence on a non-load bearing cover?

Sometimes, I think you guys go out of your way to make mountains out of molehills.

Weight!

Cost difference? The cap will bite in all places of F1 from now on. It will always be remembered by what it used to be. Back in the day when it was all about overcoming nature to go fast instead of an arbitrary, calculated limitation.

[dans79]

Cost difference? The cap will bite in all places of F1 from now on. It will always be remembered by what it used to be. Back in the day when it was all about overcoming nature to go fast instead of an arbitrary, calculated limitation.

If the part isn't load bearing, and doesn't need very tight dimensional tolerances strait composites can be very cheap. This is a really crude example. Any of the teams could make parts a lot more accurate than this, because they have shops already geared towards composite construction. Not to mention there are many techniques you can use depending on the shape and requirements of the part etc.

[Zynerji]

Cost difference? The cap will bite in all places of F1 from now on. It will always be remembered by what it used to be. Back in the day when it was all about overcoming nature to go fast instead of an arbitrary, calculated limitation.

If the part isn't load bearing, and doesn't need very tight dimensional tolerances strait composites can be very cheap. This is a really crude example. Any of the teams could make parts a lot more accurate than this, because they have shops already geared towards composite construction. Not to mention there are many techniques you can use depending on the shape and requirements of the part etc.

Yet, the professionals decided to do it differently.

[theWPTformula]

Toto Wolff interview with Sky UK post-race: “I think we understand more now what we got wrong with the car. We can almost trace it back to the decision last October. We thought we could run the car on the deck but we can't. we're making small little hamster steps.”

[chrisc90]

Toto Wolff interview with Sky UK post-race: “I think we understand more now what we got wrong with the car. We can almost trace it back to the decision last October. We thought we could run the car on the deck but we can't. we're making small little hamster steps.”

The Russell interview with Sky will have people talking on here, conserving he neigh on admitted they were going the conventional side pod route next year

[AR3-GP]

Didn't Merc have a 5kg weight reduction this weekend? In addition to the aero upgrades? That weight reduction has definitely made them a bit more competitive.

It was surprising that they ran out of tires.

[xaero]

It was surprising that they ran out of tires.

Maybe setup is not fully tuned as per latest upgrade requirements.