2022 United States Grand Prix - COTA, Oct 21 - 23

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Team ANTI-HYPE. Prove it, then I’ll anoint you.

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LM10 wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 01:23
Tvetovnato wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 01:15
Anyone know why they are running this late? Throw in a big crash with a lengthy red flag with track repairs, or a tiny bit of a drizzle, and we would not be able to finish before dark. Seems like an unnecessary risk to take?

Easy peasy Verstappen win tomorrow. Will sail past Sainz on lap 3.
To sail past on lap 3 Max must have a significantly faster car which he does not have as we’ve just seen. On one lap pace at least.
Having a better race pace is a different story, but this does not show itself after only 3 laps.
I would be quite confident that:

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Red Bull are not running as much DF to allow higher top speeds.

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Red Bull with DRS open Ferrari with no DRS = Red Bull overtake. It has been the case since the start of the year.

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214270 wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 01:32
I love it.

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Max is going to win with a 25 second lead. Ferrari hasn’t won since Austria. Zzzzz

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214270 wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 01:18
Big Tea wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 01:07
To my eye on TV it looked as if a few track limits were not called.
In Q1, Max, in Q 3 Stroll and a couple of others looked out to me.

Too late now though.
I just saw the VER still from Q1, looks pretty cut & dry he was out.
For context:

https://twitter.com/ScottElliott10/stat ... 9Ej0w&s=19

It's just a further example of the inconsistency of the FIA.

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It's easy to take an earlier frame which has the white line not covered by the shadow, then overlay both frames to see where the tyres are relative to the line, mark that and compare - and guess what?

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Fia isn't enforcing track limits, it's the stewards and race director. Probably would have caught Masi's eye. Besides, if the time was deleted, Max would have just gone again. Now if they deliberately withheld judgement until after the session so as to not give an opportunity to make another attempt despite there being ample time, that would be an issue as well, though I'm sure that is in effect what people are asking for in retroactively deleting the time after the event has ended. People make mistakes, just like you and anybody else.

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RB has something like a 10-12kph advantage without DRS and will have something like a 30-35kph kph overspeed w/ DRS against Merc and Ferrari without DRS. Ferrari quicker than Merc on the straight, but both will struggle to keep a RB behind. I wouldn't be surprised if Carlos gets mugged down the back straight on lap 1 without any DRS assistance.
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top speed is not ferrari problem ,tire wear is if they can stay 1 second away from drs and have less deg they can have a good race.merc stand a better chance because they are light on tire wear.

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vanburin wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 02:09
214270 wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 01:18
Big Tea wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 01:07
To my eye on TV it looked as if a few track limits were not called.
In Q1, Max, in Q 3 Stroll and a couple of others looked out to me.

Too late now though.
I just saw the VER still from Q1, looks pretty cut & dry he was out.
For context:

https://twitter.com/ScottElliott10/stat ... 9Ej0w&s=19

It's just a further example of the inconsistency of the FIA.
Well it's Max and RB. Looks like they deliberately just close the eyes when they show up.

But hey... when Leclerc cuts the chicane, immediately penalty shows up.

Put the damn trigger sensor on all tracks. This is just BS

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Despite Ferrari taking the front row, I fear their race-pace will be their downfall. Max should easily walk this and if he doesn't get past Carlos prior to the first round of stops, they'll probably undercut or go long and have fresher tyres towards the end.

I think Mercedes could very much be in a shout for the Double-Podium if they're lower tyre degradation is still apparent here... might very much cause Carlos a bit of trouble. Perez might fight back through the field and take the podium, but I think they could very well hold onto it... Similar scenario to Charles, but he might be likely to get stuck behind Sergio on the straights and hinder his progress.

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nevill3 wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 01:32
Did any team have a stronger long run pace in practice, I missed the second practice due to it being a tyre test
not really, no, but there's limited data available, as basically only Vettel did a really long run. The tyre test runs aren't really worth much, I think

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pace wise it looked more like advantage Ferrari, but it may swing more towards another direction later in the run, of course

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Don't you want to start second at this track anyway? Even if you are not side by side you can break later and push the driver wide. Been done several times at this race now.

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ispano6 wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 03:10
Fia isn't enforcing track limits, it's the stewards and race director. Probably would have caught Masi's eye. Besides, if the time was deleted, Max would have just gone again. Now if they deliberately withheld judgement until after the session so as to not give an opportunity to make another attempt despite there being ample time, that would be an issue as well, though I'm sure that is in effect what people are asking for in retroactively deleting the time after the event has ended. People make mistakes, just like you and anybody else.
It is the FIA, through their employees sitting in race control who are watching the cars, it's not the stewards' or the race director's direct responsibility. But that's ultimately beside the point.
(When there's a few police officers enforcing speed limits you wouldn't argue that it's not the police doing it, no?)

If the FIA does their job correctly (i doubt they withheld it deliberately and you yourself call it a mistake at the end) they scrap the lap, Max goes out again and goes through (as you wrote), realistically no other driver had any disadvantage because of this, so removing the lap now would be extremely harsh, as the FIA's track limit enforcement person's miss(take) would penalize one driver massively.

In contrast when Perez got his time removed it was his very last attempt iirc and he had no chance to improve afterwards, so scrapping his time was the fairest solution with only one driver disadvantaged, i think it was Gasly who would have been in Q3.

I checked the images for Max, used the method mentioned previously, and imho he was out, the main issue however is (once again) the lack of consistency and how their method of tracking this is simply inadequate.


edit: swapped out two words
edit2: checked the footage, the image of Zhou which circulated everywhere was from Q1, changed the last paragraph accordingly
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