2022 United States Grand Prix - COTA, Oct 21 - 23

[mendis]

Don't you want to start second at this track anyway? Even if you are not side by side you can break later and push the driver wide. Been done several times at this race now.

It's not a sin if the driver inside pushes the driver on the outside in turn 1. Lewis did that to Nico (2015) and Max (2021).

[InsaneX_Badger]

Don't you want to start second at this track anyway? Even if you are not side by side you can break later and push the driver wide. Been done several times at this race now.

It's not a sin if the driver inside pushes the driver on the outside in turn 1. Lewis did that to Nico (2015) and Max (2021).

Seb and Kimi did it to Lewis also in 2017 and 2018 respectively. If I was Max I would want to be second today, if I don't get him up to turn 1, I'll get him when DRS is available instead.

[mendis]

Don't you want to start second at this track anyway? Even if you are not side by side you can break later and push the driver wide. Been done several times at this race now.

It's not a sin if the driver inside pushes the driver on the outside in turn 1. Lewis did that to Nico (2015) and Max (2021).

Seb and Kimi did it to Lewis also in 2017 and 2018 respectively. If I was Max I would want to be second today, if I don't get him up to turn 1, I'll get him when DRS is available instead.

No they didn't. I watched the replays. Lewis backed off and didn't try going outside.

[InsaneX_Badger]

You sure? Seb started second got the better start and took the inside line into 1. Kimi did the same.

Edit: yeah they didn't push him off but they sure took the wide line out to shut the door.

[Big Tea]

It's easy to take an earlier frame which has the white line not covered by the shadow, then overlay both frames to see where the tyres are relative to the line, mark that and compare - and guess what?

I was watching in real time, and to me it was waay out. What's gone is gone, and it was not just Max.

[chrisc90]

It's easy to take an earlier frame which has the white line not covered by the shadow, then overlay both frames to see where the tyres are relative to the line, mark that and compare - and guess what?

I was watching in real time, and to me it was waay out. What's gone is gone, and it was not just Max.

Which lap are we looking at here? If it was on the international feed i'll go back and look at it. I did think Charles was out on first watch on his Q3 lap from memory.

[Big Tea]

It's easy to take an earlier frame which has the white line not covered by the shadow, then overlay both frames to see where the tyres are relative to the line, mark that and compare - and guess what?

I was watching in real time, and to me it was waay out. What's gone is gone, and it was not just Max.

Which lap are we looking at here? If it was on the international feed i'll go back and look at it. I did think Charles was out on first watch on his Q3 lap from memory.

Not sure, but the one that came up on the board as he crossed the line, and carried him through.
He may (probably did) have also got through with a previous lap, but that is the one that stood.

[RZS10]

It's Q1 starting with 11:25 on the clock in the int. feed.
https://i.imgur.com/apIXUBR.png
1. baseline to have a clearer view of the line
2. Max furthest onto the curb (blend mode hard light, 100% opacity)
3. same image, cut around the wheels (blend mode normal, 75% opacity)

I'd say no discussion needed for the rear, there's red visible for the front so it's very likely off track as well.

Q3 for Charles is a different external camera, seems fine but can't be sure as it's harder to judge.

[djones]

Are teams allowed to protest the qualifying result of Max?

I've seen multiple pictures now and there is zero doubt his Q1 lap should not stand. It should be a back-of-the-grid start if the rules are applied correctly.

[DGP123]

It should be a back-of-the-grid start if the rules are applied correctly.

That hasn’t happened in donkeys years

[chrisc90]

It's Q1 starting with 11:25 on the clock in the int. feed.
https://i.imgur.com/apIXUBR.png
1. baseline to have a clearer view of the line
2. Max furthest onto the curb (blend mode hard light, 100% opacity)
3. same image, cut around the wheels (blend mode normal, 75% opacity)

I'd say no discussion needed for the rear, there's red visible for the front so it's very likely off track as well.

Q3 for Charles is a different external camera, seems fine but can't be sure as it's harder to judge.

Just watched that back on 0.25x and its SUPER close. I certainly wouldnt be saying its a definitely infringement.

Much clearer from a video perspective than annotations IMHO.

[RZS10]

It is def. close, yes. the idea with the overlaid frames is supposed to give a clearer view of the positioning as it's really hard to make out due to the shadow, even when zoomed in on the video.

I'm also not making any definite statements (imho, very likely) - the thing is that they've called off tracks which were seemingly even tighter so it's a fair assumption that they just might have missed it.

[dans79]

It should be a back-of-the-grid start if the rules are applied correctly.

That hasn’t happened in donkeys years

Redbull went to the FIA on Lewis in 2020.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/hamil ... 8/4981428/

[organic]

RB couldn't get the tyres working at end of qualifying, whereas Ferrari generated enough heat. Will be interesting to see whether Ferrari have fixed deg issues this weekend. Not expecting them to have but their longer runs in fp3 seemed better than RB's.

Wonder whether we'll see the zandvoort performance of the W13 again. Track characteristics seem to be good for Merc otherwise they wouldn't have been so optimistic coming into the weekend. A marginal 2-3 stopper would be perfect for Merc

[search]

Schumacher also said that the track mainly stresses the rears, which, if true, usually is less of an issue for Ferrari. They mainly suffer from degradation at the front.

Red Bull on the other hand had problems with the rears in Spielberg. Maybe there's hope indeed for it to turn into an interesting 3-team battle for the win.