2021 Cost Cap Rumours and Speculation

[mwillems]

Well he doesn't want to upset the FIA since they are the ones swinging the axe.

They were all uncomfortable, that conference had the potential to be a fist fight.

[RZS10]

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But what I don't fully like the sound of is the reliance on the interpretation of the rules from their expensive 3rd party accountants, when the FIA would have clarified those rules for free and without billing hours....

I get that saying that 3rd party accountants gave their view, but that was never the point, the FIA were fully engaged and helpful as all three panellists confirmed, so why are they falling back to the opinion of anyone other than the FIA to justify the interpretation of the complex rules? If Marvel wrote this, it would be a huge plot hole....

I would like to have asked specifically if RB had asked for clarification around unused parts from the FIA, and then what they did look for clarification around.
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Yea, i commented on it in a later post viewtopic.php?p=1095821#p1095821, it's just weird all around.

[InsaneX_Badger]

Horner seemed quite uncomfortable and reluctant when talking about this matter in the press conference yesterday. His “you know” every 2 seconds didn’t add to his uncomfortable appearance either.

If I was a principal of a team being accused of having exceeded the cost cap and if I was sure that this was not the case, I’d go out there and present myself much more straightforward.

Was he aware of Dietrich's health at the time? Wouldn't surprise me if it caused him to be a bit less sharp, it's a massive loss

[mendis]

Horner seemed quite uncomfortable and reluctant when talking about this matter in the press conference yesterday. His “you know” every 2 seconds didn’t add to his uncomfortable appearance either.

If I was a principal of a team being accused of having exceeded the cost cap and if I was sure that this was not the case, I’d go out there and present myself much more straightforward.

If someone use "you know", it means uncomfortable? He talked about bullying for his team, for the children of his employees and in general a vicious, concerted attack. I am sure none of that should matter to the man who leads the team? If some physical attacks happen to his employees or their children, the team principals of other teams that are riling up the crowds should take responsibility. Don't you think?

[wesley123]

Horner seemed quite uncomfortable and reluctant when talking about this matter in the press conference yesterday. His “you know” every 2 seconds didn’t add to his uncomfortable appearance either.

If I was a principal of a team being accused of having exceeded the cost cap and if I was sure that this was not the case, I’d go out there and present myself much more straightforward.

This.

It has been the first year of the cost cap. That there would be irregularities and breaches wouldn't be surprising, especially not for a big spender who essentially had to slash their budget by 66%. If there had been an error a response would be "we are talking with the FIA to resolve this irregularity".

The extent he goes to to try to claim innocence aren't really in a fashion that a innocent person would do. The deflection and subsequent painting yourself as the victim of everyone else's crusade just screams intent. You simply don't go and try to throw others under the bus if you had no intentional wrongdoing of yourself.

[DChemTech]

Suddenly an agreement, because it’s been watered down through negotiation. An absolute joke.

The real joke is that everyone seems to jump to conclusions before there is any formal communication about the details of the situation, both the breach itself and the punishment.

[Wouter]

Suddenly an agreement, because it’s been watered down through negotiation. An absolute joke.

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The real joke is that everyone seems to jump to conclusions before there is any formal communication
about the details of the situation, both the breach itself and the punishment.

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[Stu]

Locking topic until there is real news!

[organic]

So a fine plus a percentage of wind tunnel testing time. Van Haren says lower than 25%, but considering he doesn't state the figure I guess it's still not good news for RB (thinking 15 or 20%), otherwise he would outright report it.

[chrisc90]

Interesting. Be interesting to see the full details of it and the areas contested. Maybe RB accepted it to stop any further penalty’s if they weren’t 100% certain.

Hopefully the cost cap thread can be re-opened to avoid littering the team thread.

[yamahasho]

Just in,

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red- ... 91176/amp/


“Confirms that it acknowledges any wrongdoing and accepts any sanctions.”

“Red Bull boss Christian Horner talked extensively with FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem over the US GP weekend, although technically any such conversations fell outside the official legal process.”

“ The team is understood to be receiving both a financial and sporting penalty. It is understood that the latter will involve a reduction in aero testing heading into 2023.”

new Valkyrie anyone?

Question now is, will they do it again? Has this deterred them and others?

[chrisc90]

Could just be the site wanting to run a early story for the click bait…

Only thing I’ve seen from paddock journalists is this..

[yamahasho]

Yes, probably Chris, I'm a sucker for it, let's wait on the official release.

To add: FIA didn't do much when Hamilton didn't show up to the gala even though Mohammed Ben Sulayem said he would come down hard on Hamilton, so I'm not expecting too much this time either.

They should do quarterly budgets so we can get an in-season penalty, most corporations do quarterly, not sure how it would work in this sport.

I miss the old days when penalties were swift and effective, I recall BAR Honda over filling their fuel tanks to make weight.

[MadMax]

To add: FIA didn't do much when Hamilton didn't show up to the gala even though Mohammed Ben Sulayem said he would come down hard on Hamilton, so I'm not expecting too much this time either.

Heck of a difference between missing a dinner and overspending in a budget capped sport.

And Ben S did do something - he spent the year harassing Hamilton about his jewellery.

[chrisc90]

To add: FIA didn't do much when Hamilton didn't show up to the gala even though Mohammed Ben Sulayem said he would come down hard on Hamilton, so I'm not expecting too much this time either.

Heck of a difference between missing a dinner and overspending in a budget capped sport.

And Ben S did do something - he spent the year harassing Hamilton about his jewellery.

And he still gets away with it now. Must be a bad infection considering it’s been 3-4 weeks…. Didn’t look particularly swelled up/infected.

It’s stupid though, all these rules and seems inconsistent with penalties…. I guess there is a lot of mitigating scenarios around it though and no 2 penalties are the same except for a select few