2022 - McLaren Formula 1 Team

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djos wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 09:56
Ben1980 wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 09:42
Honestly reckon that Palou would have qualified higher then Ricciardo.

Would says he's checked out, but his qualifying has been so poor for so long. Looks like it's Lando vs Alpine again for points.
The car was twitchy AF, he nearly lost it twice on his final lap in Q1. So you can’t say he wasn’t giving it everything!

PS, your comments are unfounded, AP was 2 seconds slower that Norris in FP1. Daniel was only 1/2 a second slower than Lando in Q1!
I would feel for him its better to say he's checked out rather then saying he's giving it his all. And a car that can qualify 8th doesn't get out of 1st qualifying is the best of his ability.

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djos wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 10:09
search wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 10:05
Palou only got a single set of mediums for FP1 while Norris set his time on new softs, so the gap itself is not comparable.
The soft isn’t 2 seconds a lap faster.
On comparable runs Palou was 3 tenths slower on the mediums vs Norris. I doubt he would have been able to maintain that kind of gap on the ragged edge of qualifying but I don't think it's unreasonable to think he could have done a similar job to Daniel.

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Stig14 wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 10:38
djos wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 10:09
search wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 10:05
Palou only got a single set of mediums for FP1 while Norris set his time on new softs, so the gap itself is not comparable.
The soft isn’t 2 seconds a lap faster.
On comparable runs Palou was 3 tenths slower on the mediums vs Norris. I doubt he would have been able to maintain that kind of gap on the ragged edge of qualifying but I don't think it's unreasonable to think he could have done a similar job to Daniel.
Saying that a rookie who has never driven this gen of F1 car and only his third time ever in an F1 car, would be equal to a driver with top team experience and 9 wins, shows you just how ridiculous Daniel Ricciardo’s performance has become.
At this point McLaren should simply install Pato, and Palou for a whole weekend each to see their performance. I believe Pato would have been amazing this weekend and within 3-4 tenths of lando with his amazing ability for cars with a loose rear end

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Don't you think its a bit premature to say Palou would be better than Daniel after ONE FP1 session, where Lando and Alex were on completely different programs...

https://imgur.com/a/E7qEbGE

^that's a comparison of two laps on the first stint of mediums done at the same time between Lando and Alex

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Palou had a very good day, and seemed to do his chances of getting into F1 a lot of good, if that is that he wants to do. I think a few teams will be looking closely at him.
If the new generation of Indy drivers can come in and show they can perform well in F1, it's going to blow the drivers market wide open. This "closed shop" created by super licence really has to be fixed first though

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MrGapes wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 12:21
Don't you think its a bit premature to say Palou would be better than Daniel after ONE FP1 session, where Lando and Alex were on completely different programs...

https://imgur.com/a/E7qEbGE

^that's a comparison of two laps on the first stint of mediums done at the same time between Lando and Alex
Yep massively premature. Unfortunately Ricciardos performance and performances have brought it into a thought.

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djos wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 10:09
search wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 10:05
Palou only got a single set of mediums for FP1 while Norris set his time on new softs, so the gap itself is not comparable.
The soft isn’t 2 seconds a lap faster.
No it's not, but soft tires runs at that pace are typically lower fuel runs.
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search wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 09:27
compared to others, they didn't save any tyres, though. Norris has 2 new sets of hards, 1 set of medium and 3 used softs. Red Bull and Leclerc have another medium on top, but apart from that, it's more or less the same for everyone
No one is saying that it was a unique strategy, but the reason for coming into Qualifying with one less set of new Softs than usual… The fact that the whole grid seemed to have followed the same pattern is just validation of their thought process.

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Ben1980 wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 14:46
MrGapes wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 12:21
Don't you think its a bit premature to say Palou would be better than Daniel after ONE FP1 session, where Lando and Alex were on completely different programs...

https://imgur.com/a/E7qEbGE

^that's a comparison of two laps on the first stint of mediums done at the same time between Lando and Alex
Yep massively premature. Unfortunately Ricciardos performance and performances have brought it into a thought.
Daniel will finish the season with McLaren… Discussing a replacement for this season is foolish.

It’s a shame that Alpine won’t release Piastri early and let him run a few FP sessions with the Team, regardless of lap times it would do wonders for him looking at 2023.

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SmallSoldier wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 16:04
Ben1980 wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 14:46
MrGapes wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 12:21
Don't you think its a bit premature to say Palou would be better than Daniel after ONE FP1 session, where Lando and Alex were on completely different programs...

https://imgur.com/a/E7qEbGE

^that's a comparison of two laps on the first stint of mediums done at the same time between Lando and Alex
Yep massively premature. Unfortunately Ricciardos performance and performances have brought it into a thought.
Daniel will finish the season with McLaren… Discussing a replacement for this season is foolish.

It’s a shame that Alpine won’t release Piastri early and let him run a few FP sessions with the Team, regardless of lap times it would do wonders for him looking at 2023.
The key will be weather his reserve contract runs until dec 31 or the “end of 2022 season” as to weather he can do the you g driver test for McLaren, otherwise I hope they can get some running for him at private tests in a 2021 car

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Swed3121 wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 16:09
SmallSoldier wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 16:04
Ben1980 wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 14:46


Yep massively premature. Unfortunately Ricciardos performance and performances have brought it into a thought.
Daniel will finish the season with McLaren… Discussing a replacement for this season is foolish.

It’s a shame that Alpine won’t release Piastri early and let him run a few FP sessions with the Team, regardless of lap times it would do wonders for him looking at 2023.
The key will be weather his reserve contract runs until dec 31 or the “end of 2022 season” as to weather he can do the you g driver test for McLaren, otherwise I hope they can get some running for him at private tests in a 2021 car
There's basically nil of a chance that Piastri sits in a current Mclaren F1 car before 2023.
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Ben1980 wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 10:37
djos wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 09:56
Ben1980 wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 09:42
Honestly reckon that Palou would have qualified higher then Ricciardo.

Would says he's checked out, but his qualifying has been so poor for so long. Looks like it's Lando vs Alpine again for points.
The car was twitchy AF, he nearly lost it twice on his final lap in Q1. So you can’t say he wasn’t giving it everything!

PS, your comments are unfounded, AP was 2 seconds slower that Norris in FP1. Daniel was only 1/2 a second slower than Lando in Q1!
I would feel for him its better to say he's checked out rather then saying he's giving it his all. And a car that can qualify 8th doesn't get out of 1st qualifying is the best of his ability.
It was literally a gust of wind to be fair. I don't think Dan could have done anything more.. maybe if he did less actually he might have made the essess better.
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Swed3121 wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 16:09
SmallSoldier wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 16:04
Ben1980 wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 14:46


Yep massively premature. Unfortunately Ricciardos performance and performances have brought it into a thought.
Daniel will finish the season with McLaren… Discussing a replacement for this season is foolish.

It’s a shame that Alpine won’t release Piastri early and let him run a few FP sessions with the Team, regardless of lap times it would do wonders for him looking at 2023.
The key will be weather his reserve contract runs until dec 31 or the “end of 2022 season” as to weather he can do the you g driver test for McLaren, otherwise I hope they can get some running for him at private tests in a 2021 car
Not a ton of value on a run on the previous generation car… Maybe to get used to a few procedures the Team has in place, but with how different the new cars are to the old ones, from a driving perspective might not be worth it.

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Swed3121 wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 16:09
SmallSoldier wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 16:04
Ben1980 wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 14:46


Yep massively premature. Unfortunately Ricciardos performance and performances have brought it into a thought.
Daniel will finish the season with McLaren… Discussing a replacement for this season is foolish.

It’s a shame that Alpine won’t release Piastri early and let him run a few FP sessions with the Team, regardless of lap times it would do wonders for him looking at 2023.
The key will be weather his reserve contract runs until dec 31 or the “end of 2022 season” as to weather he can do the you g driver test for McLaren, otherwise I hope they can get some running for him at private tests in a 2021 car
His Alpine contract runs until the 31st of Dec, these details were released during the Piasco and I raised this before.

Of course Alpine could let him go early or there may be something in the deal between Alpine and us that allows him to drive the EoS Test for Mclaren, time will tell.
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AR3-GP wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 16:23
Swed3121 wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 16:09
SmallSoldier wrote:
23 Oct 2022, 16:04


Daniel will finish the season with McLaren… Discussing a replacement for this season is foolish.

It’s a shame that Alpine won’t release Piastri early and let him run a few FP sessions with the Team, regardless of lap times it would do wonders for him looking at 2023.
The key will be weather his reserve contract runs until dec 31 or the “end of 2022 season” as to weather he can do the you g driver test for McLaren, otherwise I hope they can get some running for him at private tests in a 2021 car
There's basically nil of a chance that Piastri sits in a current Mclaren F1 car before 2023.
I think they will have him doing tons of simulator time for the 2023 car ready for the pre-season (After Jan 1st as I assume his contract precludes development testing for Mclaren), and I'd imagine that will be enough.

Do we have the new Sim yet?
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