2022 United States Grand Prix - COTA, Oct 21 - 23

[AeroDynamic]

I'm still not really sure he caused the spun. He would have hit Sainz anyway (and therefor caused the damage, justifying the penalty), but from Hamilton's onboard, to me it looks like he was the one who turned Sainz around



(didn't find a better video, unfortunately)

Nice catch, but if it was Hamilton I think he would have the damaged front wing. I believe Russell had a damaged fw.

Mercedes builds the strongest front wings! That was one elegant touch by Lewis that started the sequence. Cars have never oversteered in that corner.

They didn't make any contact. See Organic's post.

[michl420]

@organic - thanks. Guess Perez was lucky it come off on lap 6 then as probably would have got a flag when he come round.

@ code tower. I believe it’s only right to apply a loose bodywork rule to all cars IMHO.

I was shocked they never changed checos front wing when he boxed

It was apparently only the endplate, which is actually just bad for the car performance.

[michl420]

Afer this GP I suggest every team should creat a mounting point for a quick mounting of a reserve mirror .

[Big Tea]

Afer this GP I suggest every team should creat a mounting point for a quick mounting of a reserve mirror .

They have them in Halfords with a sucker on

[diffuser]

Is there ANY reason you did not mention George Russell’s wing, it had the same problem.

I didn’t mention any others, including Verstappen‘s left front eyebrow. The reason was because I don’t believe Haas listed those in their protest. The FIA was only looking at those two.

Yes, but it wasn’t bias. Apparently they HAD to punish Alonso (whoever unfair it feels after the reason how he sustained the damage) as you can’t ride without a functioning mirror. The tried to let it slide but Haas wasn’t having it. Which is their right. The wingendplate would have likely been meatballed in the coming lap if the analysis above is correct.

The rules are all f*cked up. Russel gets a 5 seconds penality for driver error that ends up knocking Sainz out of the race but Alonso get's a 30 second penality for a broken mirror that the FIA representatives at the track didn't think was a problem, no black and orange flag after 2 calls from Haas. Only the stewarts at COTA thought it was a problem and accepted a protest 25 minutes after protests were allowed to be filed.

[organic]

I didn’t mention any others, including Verstappen‘s left front eyebrow. The reason was because I don’t believe Haas listed those in their protest. The FIA was only looking at those two.

Yes, but it wasn’t bias. Apparently they HAD to punish Alonso (whoever unfair it feels after the reason how he sustained the damage) as you can’t ride without a functioning mirror. The tried to let it slide but Haas wasn’t having it. Which is their right. The wingendplate would have likely been meatballed in the coming lap if the analysis above is correct.

The rules are all f*cked up. Russel gets a 5 seconds penality for driver error that ends up knocking Sainz out of the race but Alonso get's a 30 second penality for a broken mirror that the FIA representatives at the track didn't think was a problem, no black and orange flag after 2 calls from Haas. Only the stewarts at COTA thought it was a problem and accepted a protest 25 minutes after protests were allowed to be filed.

Is there any word about Alpine's counter-protest about the Haas protest having been made well past the deadline?

Edit: just seen your post in Alpine team thread

[littlebigcat]

Yes it’s in the steward’s report

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... &fs=e&s=cl

[Sieper]

So, from now onwards, if you loose a mirror you are out of the race.

Would it then be a good idea for all teams to make 2 spare mirrors on a short mounting stands that can be taped onto the bodywork (or even slid into a recess/preposition small hole in the bodywork, so that you can make a quick pitstop and change the mirror (and hopefully tires if the timing is a bit convenient) so that you can at least finish the race.

[Zynerji]

So, from now onwards, if you loose a mirror you are out of the race.

Would it then be a good idea for all teams to make 2 spare mirrors on a short mounting stands that can be taped onto the bodywork (or even slid into a recess/preposition small hole in the bodywork, so that you can make a quick pitstop and change the mirror (and hopefully tires if the timing is a bit convenient) so that you can at least finish the race.

That's a lot of work in a cost-cap era with an exceptionally low probability of being needed.

Can you name the last time a driver lost a mirror in a race that the car could continue?

Alonso was outrageously lucky to carry on.

[Sieper]

Yeah, true, it all was exceptional. it wouldn’t cost that much though. Such a shame for Alonso still finishing P7 and then getting the (correct but still) penalty.

[Zynerji]

Yeah, true, it all was exceptional. it wouldn’t cost that much though. Such a shame for Alonso still finishing P7 and then getting the (correct but still) penalty.

I feel Alpine win this appeal. There is enough evidence of Race Control being in the wrong on this one.

[MadMax]

in the end, Mercedes kept the wrong kind of tyres for the race. On mediums, I think Hamilton would have been able to win.

The Red Bull in Max's hands is too fast for Hamilton in that Mercedes to have won, even on the medium tyre. It might have taken a lap or two longer for Max, but he'd have still taken Hamilton before the end. Good recovery drive from Max after his pitstop problem (having won the title, one might have forgiven him a "sod it, that'll do" attitude but he went for the win), great drive by Hamilton to hold on as long as he did. But as Hamilton himself said, without others having problems, they'd have been off the podium. I was mostly surprised by Leclerc's performance at the end - expected him to be able to catch and pass Hamilton but it didn't happen.

possible, yeah, but the medium looked considerably quicker to me, and he was in front for 14 laps, mainly in clean air. I think it's reasonable to believe that Hamilton would have been 5s further ahead at least

Perhaps. I guess we'll never know now!

[codetower]

Is there ANY reason you did not mention George Russell’s wing, it had the same problem.

I didn’t mention any others, including Verstappen‘s left front eyebrow. The reason was because I don’t believe Haas listed those in their protest. The FIA was only looking at those two.

Yes, but it wasn’t bias. Apparently they HAD to punish Alonso (whoever unfair it feels after the reason how he sustained the damage) as you can’t ride without a functioning mirror. The tried to let it slide but Haas wasn’t having it. Which is their right. The wingendplate would have likely been meatballed in the coming lap if the analysis above is correct.

You are probably right (as well as @chris90). Just seems at times this season theres more leniency towards RB. Might just be the luck of the draw. It may not have been biased, but man... it sure does come off that way at times. Like the 5 second penalty to Gasly, when a few weeks prior it had to happen 2 or 3 times, and only after a protest did they impose a penalty after an initial warning?

I understand that it all cant be policed, and yes, probably me looking into it a little more because of MY bias, but at least have consistency. It's much easier to make the WRONG call, but consistency shouldn't be this difficult.

But, it's all in the past. On to Mexico!

[organic]

This race, max and Hamilton set a record. Most number of 1-2s. There are 32, beating out the 31 that Ham/Ros had previously

[codetower]

This race, max and Hamilton set a record. Most number of 1-2s. There are 32, beating out the 31 that Ham/Ros had previously

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This is very cool, considering they are from different teams! 2 incredible drivers of the sport!

Do you know the 2nd most 1-2 on that list for non-teammates? That would be interesting to see as well.