It looked like yet another easy win for Max Verstappen as the Dutchman easily controlled the Mexican Grand Prix. Lewis Hamilton had a good race but lost out on the hard tyre in second stint. Home hero Sergio Perez finished third after failing to find a way past the Mercedes.
Indeed, and this isn't necessarily a comment regarding it's size but it's piping too.organic wrote: ↑26 Oct 2022, 14:15Well Marko always talks about the Honda turbo advantage before high altitude circuits..Juzh wrote: ↑26 Oct 2022, 14:06That's simply not true. In 2021 mercedes had more straight line advantage in mexico than on any other track, somewhere in the order of half a second, but red bull had more than a second on them in corners (during the race). Honda engine is 100% not to be singled out as the main reason they won.
I think only in 2019 was red bull somewhat competitive in mexico on straights, but that's it. All other years with renault they were nowhere and they only won races due to their car being on a different planet in corners and pretty much the only one able to keep tyres in good condition (yes, even late 2017 RB).
i think you got things the wrong way around .red bull always did well in Mexico because the high drag high rake was not a disadvantage at high altitude and Renault also has a big turbo that works well at that altitude.the Honda has an efficient turbo it docent necessary means is big.ispano6 wrote: ↑27 Oct 2022, 04:24Indeed, and this isn't necessarily a comment regarding it's size but it's piping too.organic wrote: ↑26 Oct 2022, 14:15Well Marko always talks about the Honda turbo advantage before high altitude circuits..Juzh wrote: ↑26 Oct 2022, 14:06
That's simply not true. In 2021 mercedes had more straight line advantage in mexico than on any other track, somewhere in the order of half a second, but red bull had more than a second on them in corners (during the race). Honda engine is 100% not to be singled out as the main reason they won.
I think only in 2019 was red bull somewhat competitive in mexico on straights, but that's it. All other years with renault they were nowhere and they only won races due to their car being on a different planet in corners and pretty much the only one able to keep tyres in good condition (yes, even late 2017 RB).
You mean a Mercedes engine?
The reality is that 90% 1st and 2nd for a team just hasn't happened even back in the day with the mythical MP4/4 and F2004. In 2016 it happened for Mercedes in 8 out of 21 races. It was actually more likely in 2014 and 2015 (both 11 out of 19). In 2017 it was 4 out of 20, 2018 4 out of 21. 2019 was 9 out of 21 (a good Merc showing that year, obviously), 2020 was 5 out of 17. 2022 is currently at 2017 / 2018 levels with 4 of the races to date as a 1/2 for RBR.Sieper wrote: ↑27 Oct 2022, 15:11I haven't found it dull at all, nor predictable. Seen frontrunners having had their engine go up in smoke multiple times (happened just once in 2016 and look how impacting we all found that to be) see People start out of place on many occasions, many wet races. tight fights and yes, also dominant victories. Mostly by Max but also a few by Charles.
Maybe if a team gets their car on 1 and the other on 2 in 90% of the races (start and finishing order) it will be dull, but so far this season that hasn't been the case.
There was a 1-2 in 2021... Mclaren at MonzaMadMax wrote: ↑27 Oct 2022, 16:14The reality is that 90% 1st and 2nd for a team just hasn't happened even back in the day with the mythical MP4/4 and F2004. In 2016 it happened for Mercedes in 8 out of 21 races. It was actually more likely in 2014 and 2015 (both 11 out of 19). In 2017 it was 4 out of 20, 2018 4 out of 21. 2019 was 9 out of 21 (a good Merc showing that year, obviously), 2020 was 5 out of 17. 2022 is currently at 2017 / 2018 levels with 4 of the races to date as a 1/2 for RBR.Sieper wrote: ↑27 Oct 2022, 15:11I haven't found it dull at all, nor predictable. Seen frontrunners having had their engine go up in smoke multiple times (happened just once in 2016 and look how impacting we all found that to be) see People start out of place on many occasions, many wet races. tight fights and yes, also dominant victories. Mostly by Max but also a few by Charles.
Maybe if a team gets their car on 1 and the other on 2 in 90% of the races (start and finishing order) it will be dull, but so far this season that hasn't been the case.
Interestingly, it didn't happen at all in 2021, although Max and Lewis were a 1st / 2nd combination 14 times out of 22 races. For fun, the four drivers with RBR and Mercedes finished 1,2,3,4 (in some combination) 4 times in 2021 (Portugal, France, Styrian and Brazil) with Max or Lewis P1 and P2 twice each - Sergio and Valterri didn't win in any of those four races although they took a win each that season.
They have the slimmed down airbox remember (triangular shaped, slimmer intake) so they get more mass airflow to the more inboard parts of the rear wing compared to other teams (other than haas who also have this), so they'll always look smaller
well rb have historically been very strong here with draggy but high downforce configuration.. Mercedes' performance in the corners at COTA against RB (who did admittedly run with the medium downforce wing for Max) was good.
