2022 Alpine F1 Team

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Stig14 wrote:
25 Oct 2022, 08:12
IMO the FIA are trying to make an example of this case to say "teams are responsible for the safety and legality of their own cars". Alonso (somehow) made it back to the pits following the incident where the team would have had ample opportunity to inspect the car close up and determine whether any bits were likely to fall off/become dangerous/become illegal. They determined no action was necessary and sent Alonso on his way. It then transpired that the car was not safe and parts of it (notably the wing mirror) fell off, potentially endangering marshalls and other drivers. The Perez issue is slightly different in the sense that there wasn't a pit stop where the team could have changed the front wing before it failed. Clearly he should have been shown the meatball but that was due to Red Bull (seemingly incorrectly) reassuring the FIA it was safe to continue.

Ultimately teams are responsible for ensuring their cars are on track in a safe and legal condition and Fernando's car was neither of these.
Of course, the FIA fat cats representatives, are just their for the free lunch. Not to have orange and black flags waved.
Also they do this by breaking their own rules and allowing the submission late.

If you have a problem with your own people fix it. Do something to have them be equal in how they judge races. Also if a time constraint is too tight then have the constraint loosened. Don't try and apply your will by breaking rules. If the FIA don't follow the rules who will?

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diffuser wrote:
25 Oct 2022, 14:06
Stig14 wrote:
25 Oct 2022, 08:12
IMO the FIA are trying to make an example of this case to say "teams are responsible for the safety and legality of their own cars". Alonso (somehow) made it back to the pits following the incident where the team would have had ample opportunity to inspect the car close up and determine whether any bits were likely to fall off/become dangerous/become illegal. They determined no action was necessary and sent Alonso on his way. It then transpired that the car was not safe and parts of it (notably the wing mirror) fell off, potentially endangering marshalls and other drivers. The Perez issue is slightly different in the sense that there wasn't a pit stop where the team could have changed the front wing before it failed. Clearly he should have been shown the meatball but that was due to Red Bull (seemingly incorrectly) reassuring the FIA it was safe to continue.

Ultimately teams are responsible for ensuring their cars are on track in a safe and legal condition and Fernando's car was neither of these.
Of course, the FIA fat cats representatives, are just their for the free lunch. Not to have orange and black flags waved.
Also they do this by breaking their own rules and allowing the submission late.

If you have a problem with your own people fix it. Do something to have them be equal in how they judge races. Also if a time constraint is too tight then have the constraint loosened. Don't try and apply your will by breaking rules. If the FIA don't follow the rules who will?
Completely agree- it's strange of the FIA to be very strict on some areas of the regulations (e.g car being driven in a dangerous condition) and then relaxed on others (e.g late submission was considered). Clearly what everyone wants is a robust application of the rules and not for a inconsistent interpretation of their formality at each race. It's a similar issue to what football are having with VAR currently only F1 have had this problem for at least 2 decades.

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Have Alpine used all their filming days?
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AR3-GP wrote:
25 Oct 2022, 19:45
Have Alpine used all their filming days?
Not sure but they are running 2023 floor heights, prepping for next year.

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It's been a full 48 hours after the GP, and I still can't workout how Alonso's car survived the crash with stroll and the impact with the armco. :wtf: :wtf:
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Alonso was in did a very lucky man considering what could have happened.

If the car, had landed in Spot A instead of Spot B, we could have seen an accident similar to Kubica's Cananadian GP accident, where the car hits spot A almost head on in a very high G-force impact, then brutally send across the track to the other side, while cars are coming from behind at very high speeds.

Very scary thought in did.

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were there any statements sent out about the new parts last weekend?

Only Ocon got them in Austin, but he didn't really look any quick, tbh. Will they still be installed on Alonso's car in Mexico instead now, as initially planed?

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search wrote:
27 Oct 2022, 15:02
were there any statements sent out about the new parts last weekend?

Only Ocon got them in Austin, but he didn't really look any quick, tbh. Will they still be installed on Alonso's car in Mexico instead now, as initially planed?
No statements but Scarbs said the team told him that they were running with the 2023 floor edge height. It's possible that said implementation of 2023 floor height happened at Austin with the small floor edge update that Ocon had, and that's why the pace was weaker. Logic follows to me

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organic wrote:
27 Oct 2022, 15:05
search wrote:
27 Oct 2022, 15:02
were there any statements sent out about the new parts last weekend?

Only Ocon got them in Austin, but he didn't really look any quick, tbh. Will they still be installed on Alonso's car in Mexico instead now, as initially planed?
No statements but Scarbs said the team told him that they were running with the 2023 floor edge height. It's possible that said implementation of 2023 floor height happened at Austin with the small floor edge update that Ocon had, and that's why the pace was weaker. Logic follows to me
would make sense, thanks. Maybe AmuS will have some additional info in their usual Thursday round-up

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organic wrote:
27 Oct 2022, 15:05
search wrote:
27 Oct 2022, 15:02
were there any statements sent out about the new parts last weekend?

Only Ocon got them in Austin, but he didn't really look any quick, tbh. Will they still be installed on Alonso's car in Mexico instead now, as initially planed?
No statements but Scarbs said the team told him that they were running with the 2023 floor edge height. It's possible that said implementation of 2023 floor height happened at Austin with the small floor edge update that Ocon had, and that's why the pace was weaker. Logic follows to me
One would hope that was the case.
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27 Oct 2022, 15:08
organic wrote:
27 Oct 2022, 15:05
search wrote:
27 Oct 2022, 15:02
were there any statements sent out about the new parts last weekend?

Only Ocon got them in Austin, but he didn't really look any quick, tbh. Will they still be installed on Alonso's car in Mexico instead now, as initially planed?
No statements but Scarbs said the team told him that they were running with the 2023 floor edge height. It's possible that said implementation of 2023 floor height happened at Austin with the small floor edge update that Ocon had, and that's why the pace was weaker. Logic follows to me
would make sense, thanks. Maybe AmuS will have some additional info in their usual Thursday round-up

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Fernando has had his seventh-place finish from last weekend’s US Grand Prix reinstated!
"BWT Alpine F1 Team thanks the FIA stewards for convening and reaching a positive conclusion on the matter involving Car #14 from last weekend's United States Grand Prix," the team's official Twitter

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