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I can see it now, if they don't perform well next year, it will because the FIA punished them to severely. If they win it will be because they are the best team ever with the best driver ever!“I’ve heard people reporting that it is an insignificant amount, let me tell you know that is an enormous amount. That represents anywhere between 0.25secs and 0.5secs of lap time.
“By winning the constructors' championship, obviously we become victims of our own success by having a 5% incremental handicap compared to the second and third places.
“We will have 15% less wind tunnel time than the second-placed team in the constructors’ championship and 20% less than the third team - a draconian amount.
“That 10% will have impact on our ability to perform on track next year.”
Ehm, no punishment was ever public ?
Red Bull will win 2023 to 2025 because they had an extra 2 million in research and development has benefits in the subsequent years, FIA should have reduced their budget as well, instead they will spend less on wind tunnel but use that money elsewhere. It’s a win for Red Bull. And it’s never the driver, it’s always the car.dans79 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2022, 02:58It looks like Horner is already laying the groundwork for netx years spin.
https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1015782/1 ... 5s-f1-2023I can see it now, if they don't perform well next year, it will because the FIA punished them to severely. If they win it will be because they are the best team ever with the best driver ever!“I’ve heard people reporting that it is an insignificant amount, let me tell you know that is an enormous amount. That represents anywhere between 0.25secs and 0.5secs of lap time.
“By winning the constructors' championship, obviously we become victims of our own success by having a 5% incremental handicap compared to the second and third places.
“We will have 15% less wind tunnel time than the second-placed team in the constructors’ championship and 20% less than the third team - a draconian amount.
“That 10% will have impact on our ability to perform on track next year.”
Yep and them not try to spin it. Oh and it's closer to $3.5 million. There is no guarantee of them getting that tax rebate or the size. That web site says if, can and maybe everywhere.101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑29 Oct 2022, 03:26Im not a fan of the 400k overspend and feel the punishment is roughly fitting of the crime here. (This is coming from supporting another team/driver). I’ll definitely won’t contribute to this thread again as it brings out the worst of partisan crowds.
Clearly this situation isn’t good for anyone involved. Would have liked to have seen a smaller fine that actually comes out of the budget together with a reduction in wind tunnel time but that’s not what’s been decided. Shame
Infact, they will have atleast 2.5 million more than Mercedes and around 4 million more than Ferrari this year! Savings in car damages.yamahasho wrote: ↑29 Oct 2022, 03:57Red Bull will win 2023 to 2025 because they had an extra 2 million in research and development has benefits in the subsequent years, FIA should have reduced their budget as well, instead they will spend less on wind tunnel but use that money elsewhere. It’s a win for Red Bull. And it’s never the driver, it’s always the car.dans79 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2022, 02:58It looks like Horner is already laying the groundwork for netx years spin.
https://www.crash.net/f1/news/1015782/1 ... 5s-f1-2023I can see it now, if they don't perform well next year, it will because the FIA punished them to severely. If they win it will be because they are the best team ever with the best driver ever!“I’ve heard people reporting that it is an insignificant amount, let me tell you know that is an enormous amount. That represents anywhere between 0.25secs and 0.5secs of lap time.
“By winning the constructors' championship, obviously we become victims of our own success by having a 5% incremental handicap compared to the second and third places.
“We will have 15% less wind tunnel time than the second-placed team in the constructors’ championship and 20% less than the third team - a draconian amount.
“That 10% will have impact on our ability to perform on track next year.”
Seems so.
They often tell themselves that everyone else is doing it, so if they cheat they are "just levelling the playing field"LM10 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2022, 08:04
I keep asking myself how cheaters manage to be pleased with their achievements, knowing their cheating significantly contributed to those achievements. I simply can’t understand how they can go out there with an unfair advantage and then be 100% proud and happy about their win, saying they’ve done a good job. It’s really sad.
.101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑29 Oct 2022, 03:26I’ll definitely won’t contribute to this thread again as it brings out the worst of partisan crowds.
.These new Financial Regulations are a very complex set of rules that competitors were required to adapt to for the first time.
Red Bull Racing was found to be in breach, however, the Cost Cap Administration recognised that Red Bull Racing has acted cooperatively throughout the review process and has sought to provide additional information and evidence when requested in a timely manner, that this is the first year of the full application of the Financial Regulations and that
there is no accusation or evidence that RBR has sought at any time to act in bad faith, dishonestly or in fraudulent manner, nor has it wilfully concealed any information from the Cost Cap Administration.
In these circumstances, the Cost Cap Administration offered to RBR an ABA to resolve this matter. That offer was accepted by RBR.
.The FIA acknowledges that had RBR applied the correct treatment within its Full Year Reporting
Documentation of RBR’s Notional Tax Credit within its 2021 submission of a value of £1,431,348,
it would have been considered by the Cost Cap Administration to be in compliance with Article 4.1(b) of the
Regulations and therefore RBR’s Relevant Costs for the 2021 Reporting Period
would have in fact exceeded the 2021 Cost Cap by £432,652 (0.37%).
It was clear from the day 1 that this thread would end up a place for venting out frustration and anger towards a team that's not your favourite and there is a good reason for that. You have a choice to ignore and stay away, like so many other users here who haven't bothered setting foot here. I questioned this thread periodically as to why it was open, when there wasn't any development. It's opened now that the matter has been concluded.Wouter wrote: ↑29 Oct 2022, 09:18.101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑29 Oct 2022, 03:26I’ll definitely won’t contribute to this thread again as it brings out the worst of partisan crowds.
I agree. I won't do that anymore too. The only things I read here are that RBR are cheaters, Horner is a liar and the FIA are liars.
Its a lot of words he said, but at the end of the day I suppose it comes to something very simple.yamahasho wrote: ↑29 Oct 2022, 03:28"We had a difference of opinion on sick pay; we have always taken a view that we wanted to support our staff in sickness and in health, and, when members of staff have been on long-term [leave] we supported them, as we will continue to do in the future. We felt that sick [pay], the role paid no function in the Grand Prix team in the period of eight months, [so it] was an excludable cost. Unfortunately, the regulations can be interpreted in two ways: had the person died, which thankfully they didn’t, the cost would have been excludable. Thankfully they didn’t die; therefore the cost was includable for that period.”
Crazy statement, I’m still on the side that Christian Horner, Newey and Verstappen are cheaters, so the role played no role on the Grand Prix team, hmmm really, so Red Bull gets to decide what is an excludable role or what isn’t. This gets more and more interesting.
