2022 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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High time Leclerc leaves this team. Do next year and if he doesn't win the WDC, get a seat at Mercedes by whatever means. The fact that Mercedes are just 40 points behind them despite racing with a rock in the initial stages of the season, speaks volume about the teams.

Ferrari can have a car that can lap the entire field yet come 2nd in the race. They are experts at that.

The entire qualifying was a clown show.

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No admission of fault lmao. All their wrong decisions are "unlucky", never mistakes. Not an ounce of shame in these lot.

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Very strange because, if you're going for a gamble why not gamble with the guy who has a grid penalty?

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If they rain had come 2 minutes earlyer they would be the heros now, so don`t be to harsh. But I wouldn`t be willing to stand 2 minutes in the line and be locked on a tire under this changing conditions.

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AR3-GP wrote:
12 Nov 2022, 01:11
search wrote:
12 Nov 2022, 00:54
organic wrote:
12 Nov 2022, 00:25
Why gamble anyway? It's not like the car is weak in qualifying when on like for like conditions Vs other cars. Imo Charles could've been on pole if they only copied what others do. Gamble when you have little to lose and a lot to gain, not a little to gain and a lot to lose!
yeah, no real need to gamble, but they still had one driver in prime position and on the right tyres. Getting the cars out early was a good call. Sainz should have put it on Pole easily.
Why would they have expected Sainz to be the one to put it on pole? Leclerc has 9 poles to Sainzs…1?

If anything, Sainz should have been the one pushed onto the inters because he had less to lose given his grid penalty and likely not enough pace for pole in the best of times, but Sainz is way too smart for that nonsense and Leclerc is way too nice to use the two letter word “No”.
since the summer break, they are on absolutely the same level, and there's usually only a couple of thousands between them.

But my point obviously was that Sainz was in 2nd best track position with a car sth like 1s quicker than the 1st. It obviously would have been better to have both cars out there on the right tyre, but in the end it was the driver who lost the pole (with a mistake in S1), not the team.

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This strategy with Leclerc had to fail. The only chance of winning pole would be if they went out for Q3 and immediately it would start to rain heavily.
Then the other drivers would have to come in for interns or full wet but maybe Leclerc could get a decent lap out of it with inters under these circumstances.
More likely it would drizzle and all drivers would immediately change to inters and still have a good chance for pole on tyres that are a lap younger.
And yes, it was predicted that it would start to rain sometime during Q3 but with 10 cars on a rather dry track it still takes a few minutes before it gets too tricky on slicks.

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Wrong point in the session to even consider taking the gamble. If it was mid way through the session then you could fully understand. But the inter tyre will NEVER be as fast as the slick tyre at any point in the session.

Im sure there was a full session to go so 10minutes remaining and they thought the inter would be the faster tyre. Did they not think of going out on a slick and seeing what the track was like? Track was only going to get worse with zero chance to improve so you go out on the faster tyre in the hope it will work. Everyone else in the same boat. If the soft didnt work, drop onto the inter tyre and hope nobody set a good laptime on the soft.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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Well Q3 surely was a gamble to extend, yes. Its arguable not worth it. But anyway.

More strange was all that calamity in Q1 with bunch of tires all around pitbox. That is pure disorganization. Indecisiveness etc.
"And if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you're no longer a racing driver..." Ayrton Senna

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Ferrari really just needed to have a clean end to the season after the shambles they've put themselves through for the majority of the year... and then they go ahead and do what we saw in Q3... on the car that wasn't taking the penalty... on the only car that had a chance at taking Pole Position in changeable conditions.

Charles is a saint for putting up with this; Yes, he has made some mistakes this year (as has Sainz), but the team as a whole as been a disappointment in managing what has been a car quick enough to fight for wins (Technical Directives aside).

As has been pointed out, Mercedes on pretty much all occasions has squeezed everything they could out of their car this season, whether it be the start of the year finishing 50kms away in 5th/6th or 2nd/3rd when everyone else is faltering. Everyone is harping on about Red Bull winning, but Mercedes for me this year has been the most impressive team at maximising opportunist and brining their car up to scratch.

Ferrari on the other hand, is the polar opposite... and I'm not confident of it changing by next season...

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aleks_ader wrote:
12 Nov 2022, 13:09
More strange was all that calamity in Q1 with bunch of tires all around pitbox. That is pure disorganization. Indecisiveness etc.
yeah, it seemed like they completely messed that up. Going by Sainz' radio, they first wanted to take another set of Inters, and then considered to save a set of tyres by going for the used softs from FP1. As a result, no new softs were prepared.

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AR3-GP wrote:
11 Nov 2022, 23:48
https://streamja.com/11Mjp

The pitwall is completely dysfunctional. Frightening.
OMG what a mess... #-o

It was obvious inters were not the tires to use. They do not notice, not even after the out lap and start a timed lap wich obviously Lecrerc do not finish... and when Charles goes into the pits one lap too late, the team wasn´t prepared and cause all that mess??? :wtf:

Amateurish team ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

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I just saw Q3 in replay. The mess of the tyre change was not on the live stream, but this explains a lot.
However, the discussion between Laurent Mekies and Leclerc was. I couldn't understand what they were saying, but Leclerc wsa definitely very disappointed.

I don't know if Makies is the responsible for the pitwall and pit crew operations, but it's clear that whoever is, they failed miserably.
Yes, people HAVE to let go. Ferrari had 2+ years to learn, yet, the mess is still there. It's clear they don't learn from their mistakes.

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They certainly need a different team principal. Binotto seems to be good at getting the technical things done, but fails to oversee racing operations. They need a shrewd character at the helm, not a geek. Binotto should stay back at Maranello and drive car development.

No offence, but those Italian race engineers really suck in communication to their driver. Their tone, choice of words, sloppy attitude doesn't inspire any confidence. They are meme material. The less we talk about their strategy clowns, the better it is for our own health.

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Good race.

Leclerc looked good at the end of his stint so he'll be able to fight tomorrow.

Sainz seems to have finally figured out how to keep his tires alive on higher fuel. Will help him significantly going into 2023.

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mendis wrote:
12 Nov 2022, 20:00
They certainly need a different team principal. Binotto seems to be good at getting the technical things done, but fails to oversee racing operations. They need a shrewd character at the helm, not a geek. Binotto should stay back at Maranello and drive car development.

No offence, but those Italian race engineers really suck in communication to their driver. Their tone, choice of words, sloppy attitude doesn't inspire any confidence. They are meme material. The less we talk about their strategy clowns, the better it is for our own health.
I don't see it as fault of the principal. There should be someone below him who's job is ensuring systems work as planned (or should be planned). I posted this earlier this year and was told the job fell to Mekies?
They need a 6'4 drill Sargent with an attitude
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