Except that the rules of engagement have changed - which resulted in a 5-sec penalty for VER today.AR3-GP wrote: ↑13 Nov 2022, 23:45So like Silverstone then?GrizzleBoy wrote: ↑13 Nov 2022, 23:45Going too fast and at the wrong angle into a corner to get alongside and bouncing off the car on your outside to get your nose around is an arcade video game racing move.wogx wrote: ↑13 Nov 2022, 23:36https://i.redd.it/j1ubtr3rmrz91.jpg
VER was alongside, HAM left no space.
But Hamilton was also penalized last year was he not? I may not agree with the decision, but the stewards were consistent at least between this year and last year so I cannot complain.mkay wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 00:08Except that the rules of engagement have changed - which resulted in a 5-sec penalty for VER today.AR3-GP wrote: ↑13 Nov 2022, 23:45So like Silverstone then?GrizzleBoy wrote: ↑13 Nov 2022, 23:45
Going too fast and at the wrong angle into a corner to get alongside and bouncing off the car on your outside to get your nose around is an arcade video game racing move.
It's entitlement personified.Tvetovnato wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 00:03Max: “To be honest, I went around the outside, and I immediately felt he was not going to leave space. I just went for it, he didn’t leave me space, so I knew we were going to get together.”
This alone should send him to the back of the grid for the next race. He is literally open with ruining another drivers race for the sake of it. What. A. Child.
I find it funny that right after this he suggested it was still a 'net win' for him because Hamilton lost the race and he only got a 5 second penalty. He did see Merc was still 1-2 on the podium, no? Even if they both wrecked it was a net win for Mercedes because it would allow Russell to cruise to victory.Tvetovnato wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 00:03Max: “To be honest, I went around the outside, and I immediately felt he was not going to leave space. I just went for it, he didn’t leave me space, so I knew we were going to get together.”
This alone should send him to the back of the grid for the next race. He is literally open with ruining another drivers race for the sake of it. What. A. Child.
No, sorry, should have worded it better. If you have Hamilton or Verstappen alongside you know they are going to stay there, and force the accident upon you. Most of the other drivers know that and yield.the poster below wrote: ↑13 Nov 2022, 23:48I hadn't thought of it specifically in these terms - are you saying that if they feel they are racing a "fair" driver that they behave fairly, whereas racing an "unfair" driver it's a free for all? (Genuine question, not trying to put words in your mouth)Edax wrote: ↑13 Nov 2022, 23:44
The problem is that neither Hamilton or Verstappen back off when they see a line which they feel entitled to take. When you have a driver like Leclerc around them, they make space even though they perhaps shouldn’t. But when you have the two together contact is more or less a given.
This is well said I think.Edax wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 00:12No, sorry, should have worded it better. If you have Hamilton or Verstappen alongside you know they are going to stay there, and force the accident upon you. Most of the other drivers know that and yield.the poster below wrote: ↑13 Nov 2022, 23:48I hadn't thought of it specifically in these terms - are you saying that if they feel they are racing a "fair" driver that they behave fairly, whereas racing an "unfair" driver it's a free for all? (Genuine question, not trying to put words in your mouth)Edax wrote: ↑13 Nov 2022, 23:44
The problem is that neither Hamilton or Verstappen back off when they see a line which they feel entitled to take. When you have a driver like Leclerc around them, they make space even though they perhaps shouldn’t. But when you have the two together contact is more or less a given.
It is not that they adapt their driving to other drivers, it is just that the other drivers adapt their driving to them.
Unfortunately Hamilton and Verstappen havent figured out yet that that strategy does not work on each other.
Definitely. The two are close to mirror images of each other when in the cockpit.AR3-GP wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 00:14This is well said I think.Edax wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 00:12No, sorry, should have worded it better. If you have Hamilton or Verstappen alongside you know they are going to stay there, and force the accident upon you. Most of the other drivers know that and yield.the poster below wrote: ↑13 Nov 2022, 23:48
I hadn't thought of it specifically in these terms - are you saying that if they feel they are racing a "fair" driver that they behave fairly, whereas racing an "unfair" driver it's a free for all? (Genuine question, not trying to put words in your mouth)
It is not that they adapt their driving to other drivers, it is just that the other drivers adapt their driving to them.
Unfortunately Hamilton and Verstappen havent figured out yet that that strategy does not work on each other.
Criticized by his own fans? I'm sure fans of other drivers were happy for him to continue to yieldGrizzleBoy wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 00:22But Hamilton was widely criticised last year for actually yielding all the time to Max to avoid contact in 2021?
Don’t drag Hamilton into the filth that Verstappen is doing. Hamilton backed out of multiple occasions last year to save his race and let Verstappen off the hook. When he doesn’t yield, it ends in a crash where Verstappen is penalized by the stewards more often than not. Hamilton has always been considered to be one of the greats in wheel to wheel action by multiple drivers and has usually no problems with anyone, bar a few racing incidents as all drivers have from time to time.Edax wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 00:12No, sorry, should have worded it better. If you have Hamilton or Verstappen alongside you know they are going to stay there, and force the accident upon you. Most of the other drivers know that and yield.the poster below wrote: ↑13 Nov 2022, 23:48I hadn't thought of it specifically in these terms - are you saying that if they feel they are racing a "fair" driver that they behave fairly, whereas racing an "unfair" driver it's a free for all? (Genuine question, not trying to put words in your mouth)Edax wrote: ↑13 Nov 2022, 23:44
The problem is that neither Hamilton or Verstappen back off when they see a line which they feel entitled to take. When you have a driver like Leclerc around them, they make space even though they perhaps shouldn’t. But when you have the two together contact is more or less a given.
It is not that they adapt their driving to other drivers, it is just that the other drivers adapt their driving to them.
Unfortunately Hamilton and Verstappen havent figured out yet that that strategy does not work on each other.
Talk to me about 1st lap incidents from Hamilton this year where he was involved...Then lets discuss wheel to wheel racing.Tvetovnato wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 00:25
Don’t drag Hamilton into the filth that Verstappen is doing. Hamilton backed out of multiple occasions last year to save his race and let Verstappen off the hook. When he doesn’t yield, it ends in a crash where Verstappen is penalized by the stewards more often than not. Hamilton has always been considered to be one of the greats in wheel to wheel action by multiple drivers and has usually no problems with anyone, bar a few racing incidents as all drivers have from time to time.
Verstappen is unable to keep it clean, not because of bad car control, but because of bad attitude and not caring if he ruins other drivers races, just because he feels like it. He even admitted that after this race. He is a petulant child who was not raised properly, which is quite evident today, not only because of his comments on the Hamilton take-out attempt, but also with his behaviour towards Perez.
You say he has a history of ruining other drivers' races, but how come there is no record of this beyond interactions with Hamilton? How come he didn't have trouble with Russell, Leclerc, or Sainz all year in so many wheel to wheel battles with them and we were treated to spectacular battles this season with verstappen against the other three in places like Bahrain, Spain, Austria, USA, Imola and the sprint yesterday?Tvetovnato wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 00:25Don’t drag Hamilton into the filth that Verstappen is doing. Hamilton backed out of multiple occasions last year to save his race and let Verstappen off the hook. When he doesn’t yield, it ends in a crash where Verstappen is penalized by the stewards more often than not. Hamilton has always been considered to be one of the greats in wheel to wheel action by multiple drivers and has usually no problems with anyone, bar a few racing incidents as all drivers have from time to time.Edax wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 00:12No, sorry, should have worded it better. If you have Hamilton or Verstappen alongside you know they are going to stay there, and force the accident upon you. Most of the other drivers know that and yield.the poster below wrote: ↑13 Nov 2022, 23:48
I hadn't thought of it specifically in these terms - are you saying that if they feel they are racing a "fair" driver that they behave fairly, whereas racing an "unfair" driver it's a free for all? (Genuine question, not trying to put words in your mouth)
It is not that they adapt their driving to other drivers, it is just that the other drivers adapt their driving to them.
Unfortunately Hamilton and Verstappen havent figured out yet that that strategy does not work on each other.
Verstappen is unable to keep it clean, not because of bad car control, but because of bad attitude and not caring if he ruins other drivers races, just because he feels like it. He even admitted that after this race. He is a petulant child who was not raised properly, which is quite evident today, not only because of his comments on the Hamilton take-out attempt, but also with his behaviour towards Perez.
Alonso talks nonsense. He’s an irrelevance in F1 nowadays, with an embarrassing resentment of Lewis, and is stuck up Max’s ***. Not really worth listening too or paying attention too.