Is there any difference in wing levels on the Red Bulls. Perez is more dominant in the straight sections and Max in the twistier parts.
Charles was saying the soft was gone by turn 4!
There is only a precedence under certain circumstances. If the closing speed and timing of the flag is the primary concern then its likely to be the reason for the lack of penalty.
Exactly, nothing to see here.RZS10 wrote: ↑19 Nov 2022, 13:18From the onboard:
There was no flag signal on the panels when he overtook the McL.
It starts flashing (what looks to be yellow on that cam at least) when he came up to the Haas, the Haas at that point was way slower than him and he overtook it going really slowly.
The second panel was off without anything on it.
The physical flag gets popped out after they are all past that post.
The precedent mentioned on sky Decision - Car 33 - alleged overtaking under red flags
edit: here's the onboard
https://streamja.com/92RLv
No clue how synced the team radio is in the F1TV onboard channel but the message comes in the corner
Perez switched to the medium downforce wing today (which Max was already using since yesterday). I can't really explain the top speed discrepancy but it's very small.
The Stewards heard from the driver of Car 44 (Lewis Hamilton) and the team representative.
The Stewards reviewed positioning/marshalling system data, telemetry, team radio and in-car video.
There is no dispute that Car 44 passed Car 20 directly after the track was placed in a Red Flag condition. The driver of Car 44 stated that he was on a fast lap, he saw the Red Light, immediately completely lifted the throttle and applied the brakes, whilst checking his mirrors for cars following in close proximity. He stated that he had, in doing so, gone past Car 20.
The Stewards took note of the precedent in relation to the 2021 Dutch Grand Prix (Max Verstappen), where no action was taken against the driver under similar but not identical circumstances.
The telemetry evidence was sourced directly from the live data available to the FIA not from any evidence provided by the team.
The telemetry data clearly shows the following;
1. That immediately when the red light was displayed, the driver lifted throttle 100%
2. That immediately when the red light was displayed, the driver applied firm braking pressure.
3. The speed of Car 44 at this point was 288 km/h. (Car 20 had a speed of 126km/h at this point – a delta of 162km/h).
It is our conclusion that the driver of Car 44 took every reasonable action to comply with the regulations in that he immediately reduced speed in a safe manner at the earliest opportunity upon the first indication of the red light.
Notwithstanding, technically this is still a breach of Art 2.5.4.1 b of Cpt IV of Appendix H of the International Sporting Code, however he could not avoid overtaking Car 20 in this case and therefore the Stewards DETERMINE to apply no penalty.
It is noted the there was no breach of Article 37.6 of the Formula 1 Sporting Regulations.
Good. The right decisionRZS10 wrote: ↑19 Nov 2022, 15:30No further action: https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... 20Flag.pdf
The Stewards heard from the driver of Car 44 (Lewis Hamilton) and the team representative.
The Stewards reviewed positioning/marshalling system data, telemetry, team radio and in-car video.
There is no dispute that Car 44 passed Car 20 directly after the track was placed in a Red Flag condition. The driver of Car 44 stated that he was on a fast lap, he saw the Red Light, immediately completely lifted the throttle and applied the brakes, whilst checking his mirrors for cars following in close proximity. He stated that he had, in doing so, gone past Car 20.
The Stewards took note of the precedent in relation to the 2021 Dutch Grand Prix (Max Verstappen), where no action was taken against the driver under similar but not identical circumstances.
The telemetry evidence was sourced directly from the live data available to the FIA not from any evidence provided by the team.
The telemetry data clearly shows the following;
1. That immediately when the red light was displayed, the driver lifted throttle 100%
2. That immediately when the red light was displayed, the driver applied firm braking pressure.
3. The speed of Car 44 at this point was 288 km/h. (Car 20 had a speed of 126km/h at this point – a delta of 162km/h).
It is our conclusion that the driver of Car 44 took every reasonable action to comply with the regulations in that he immediately reduced speed in a safe manner at the earliest opportunity upon the first indication of the red light.
Notwithstanding, technically this is still a breach of Art 2.5.4.1 b of Cpt IV of Appendix H of the International Sporting Code, however he could not avoid overtaking Car 20 in this case and therefore the Stewards DETERMINE to apply no penalty.
It is noted the there was no breach of Article 37.6 of the Formula 1 Sporting Regulations.
I mean, he could've stomped on the brakes harder obviously, but that still may not have prevented overtaking the haas, and could've caused a lock up. Which is hardly any safer. Kudos to the stewards for using common sense.