2022 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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There has been a strong battle inside the team between spanish side and leclerq side. Hidden to public and the Elkans tried to keep united the scuderia. Did not work. So now they had to choose, because binotto did not support leclerq side and support it. Probably they did not want to fire Binotto, untill now and apparntly they have decided for a team to build around Leclerq. That is why Vasseur will take the lead, since he took leclerq in sport racing and with sauber in F1. He is also a good winner leader in F2 and F3. Sainz will later to Audi with Alfa Romeo and will have his chances. The bad point about all this is the 2023 ferrari car is totally u der Binotto supervision, so with his departure it appears clear Ferrari will bet title for 2024

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I genuinely can't believe anyone in their right mind would back Sainz over Leclerc.

I can however believe that the Spanish camp are getting down and dirty politically.

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Damm those post here read as some House of dragon skits LOL. Grabbing popcorn...
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To me there is a second problem of binotto leaves and this is of what he knows. Even if he takes 1 year sabbatical guys, you understand what this guy knows about the whole car and the upcoming one? From engine side, aero side and everything? This guy is a golden goose imo and who ever takes him he will be totally happy.

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To me there is a second problem if binotto leaves and this is of what he knows. Even if he takes 1 year sabbatical guys, you understand what he knows about the whole car and the upcoming one? From engine side, aero side and everything? This guy is a golden goose imo and who ever takes him he will be totally happy.

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https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/161427/f ... inarticle1

'Ferrari considers veto due to unfair advantage for Red Bull Powertrains'
Yesterday, 08:09 Last update: 09:31
GPblog.com

Ferrari, according to the Italian edition of Motorsport.com about to use its veto power. The Italian racing stable has had this tool in its pocket for years and is now said to be threatening to finally use it, to the detriment of Red Bull Racing.

The engine regulations for 2026 are already in place and, with Mercedes, Red Bull Powertrains and Audi, there are also three major brands that have already committed to the new era. Renault is about to sign, Porsche and Honda are still considering their options, but at Ferrari, however, they do not want to sign.

Ferrari issues ultimatum
According to the Italian medium, Ferrari would have already settled on the simplified engines from 2026 to give new engine suppliers a chance in F1, but Ferrari is now drawing a line. New suppliers will get more budget to develop the engine in the early years and also more time to test the engine. A logical solution for Audi, but for Red Bull Powertrains it is an unfair advantage, according to Ferrari.

Red Bull Powertrains counts as a new entry and can count on the benefits of a new entry, but Ferrari does not agree. For instance, Red Bull would already have knowledge of the current generation of engines in its partnership with Honda, and benefits from all the knowledge it has brought in with the recruitment of frontrunners from the Mercedes engine project.

Ferrari would therefore refuse to sign on to the new engine deal, giving F1 an ultimatum. It would even consider using the veto power it has had for years as a historic team in F1. Whether this will actually come about remains to be seen. F1 will want to avoid that controversy and look for a solution to keep Ferrari in the sport as well.
 

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I think that depends if the sport want to change the rules when they have new teams signing up to a set of regulations.

What would happen if F1 make a change and Audi (for example) turn around and say, 'Hey, thats not what we signed up for, we either want it changed back or we wont compete'. It is also unfair on anyone else that has signed up for the regulation change.
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100% agree with Ferrari there. Red Bull Powertrains a new entry? :roll:

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LM10 wrote:
27 Nov 2022, 12:18
100% agree with Ferrari there. Red Bull Powertrains a new entry? :roll:
They are. Honda isn't sharing IP and RBPT has to build engines on their own. Regarding people, everyone hires people from experienced manufacturers and that shouldn't be a factor. Mercedes themselves started by taking over Ilmor. When Honda joined back, they had their hands on Mercedes engine at McLaren, but did anyone to call them 'not new' and took away token less development time?

FIA can't be blinded by blackmailing from Ferrari that is driven by the fact that Red Bull Racing is a successful team. They have to look RBPT in isolation and make rational decision.

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RonMexico wrote:
26 Nov 2022, 15:54
I genuinely can't believe anyone in their right mind would back Sainz over Leclerc.

I can however believe that the Spanish camp are getting down and dirty politically.
Anyone saying Ferrari did back Sainz over Lecrerc should consider a visit to the oculist

And anyone saying Sainz went dirty politically should consider a visit to the psicologist


What´s the reason people enjoy bitching about everyone constantly with no reason? THIS is Ferrari problem, not Sainz, not Lecerc and not Binotto, problem is this constant overreactiong and search for responsibles about disasters wich never happened #-o

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Andres125sx wrote:
27 Nov 2022, 12:56
RonMexico wrote:
26 Nov 2022, 15:54
I genuinely can't believe anyone in their right mind would back Sainz over Leclerc.

I can however believe that the Spanish camp are getting down and dirty politically.
Anyone saying Ferrari did back Sainz over Lecrerc should consider a visit to the oculist

And anyone saying Sainz went dirty politically should consider a visit to the psicologist


What´s the reason people enjoy bitching about everyone constantly with no reason? THIS is Ferrari problem, not Sainz, not Lecerc and not Binotto, problem is this constant overreactiong and search for responsibles about disasters wich never happened #-o
Silverstone was the race where Sainz would either equal or outright own the record for most races without winning as a driver for Ferrari. Ferrari favoured him despite Leclerc still being in the championship at that point. Similar happened at Monaco.

The sainz camp have previous for the political games. It cost him a RB seat remember?

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caddy wrote:
27 Nov 2022, 12:36
LM10 wrote:
27 Nov 2022, 12:18
100% agree with Ferrari there. Red Bull Powertrains a new entry? :roll:
They are. Honda isn't sharing IP and RBPT has to build engines on their own.
The announcement last year was that RBPT will have access to Honda IPs. Do I remember incorrectly?

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caddy wrote:
27 Nov 2022, 12:36
LM10 wrote:
27 Nov 2022, 12:18
100% agree with Ferrari there. Red Bull Powertrains a new entry? :roll:
They are. Honda isn't sharing IP and RBPT has to build engines on their own. Regarding people, everyone hires people from experienced manufacturers and that shouldn't be a factor. Mercedes themselves started by taking over Ilmor. When Honda joined back, they had their hands on Mercedes engine at McLaren, but did anyone to call them 'not new' and took away token less development time?

FIA can't be blinded by blackmailing from Ferrari that is driven by the fact that Red Bull Racing is a successful team. They have to look RBPT in isolation and make rational decision.
How many of the current Honda engineers will simply stay and work for RBPT?

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tpe wrote:
27 Nov 2022, 14:55
The announcement last year was that RBPT will have access to Honda IPs. Do I remember incorrectly?
Of course they have access to IP, they are going to build them in UK and have been maintaining them already
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Vanja #66 wrote:
27 Nov 2022, 14:57
tpe wrote:
27 Nov 2022, 14:55
The announcement last year was that RBPT will have access to Honda IPs. Do I remember incorrectly?
Of course they have access to IP, they are going to build them in UK and have been maintaining them already
This is a bit off topic and inaccurate as well. The Honda engines are built and maintained in Japan through 2025.
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