2022 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Shal_Leg16]

Saniz will out in 2024 and Botta will join ferrari for Lecrec wingman.

Ferrari signing Sainz was itself a wrong move for Ferrari ( not for sainz obviously ). No wonder its been said Binotto brought him in.

A top team like Ferrari, RB , Mercedes who fight for titles will always have priority driver. Sainz is not bad but he is not fast enough to be #1 guy. Wonder why he was signed.

[Shal_Leg16]

This - equal treatment is the Norm in F1 is the joke of the century.

and all the sennas, shumis, vettels, lewis, Alonsos & maxs of F1 world are laughing at this.

I can't believe there are people who actually believe this... The last duo that didn't have a clear status were Prost and Senna in McLaren and it was clear why that was. This was more than 30 years ago. Bar Rosberg, every champion since was a number 1 in that season. Rosberg won despite of his defacto number 2 status.

Exactly. let go all the past and lets focus on present. Truth is RB clearly have a #1 driver and every raceday all they do is pull all strings together to maximize his position/points. You fooking cant beat them without sorting your own thing.

is this really that hard to understand ? or else only thing you care is seeing you guy having a good season ( which includes him enjoying few podiums, odd win, a top 4 driver standing and bonus of beating his teammate.) do hell with titles and championship.

[Andres125sx]

No one can claim that based on sainz's performance. so why not just oppose whole #1 thing ? or say advocate equal chance for both ?

Equal treatment is the norm, none needs to ask for it, or shouldn't IMHO.

This - equal treatment is the Norm in F1 is the joke of the century.

and all the sennas, shumis, vettels, lewis, Alonsos & maxs of F1 world are laughing at this.

Just a quick search, and you´ll notice how wrong you are

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/alons ... 2/4435042/


Disclaimer: we are talking about preferential treatment at the start of the season. Once any driver is discarded from the title fight, any team will obviously favour the other driver, but that´s not what we were talking about

[Andres125sx]

No one can claim that based on sainz's performance. so why not just oppose whole #1 thing ? or say advocate equal chance for both ?

We might have past season, Carlos did beat Lecrerc in 2020 despite his very first season in red. Even so none did claim that.

Only Lecrerc fans are asking for preferential treatment

Ocon beat Fernando, so Ocon is greater driver. Same with George. That logic fits well too.

Strawman argument again Who said that? None

More of the opposite, I said despite beating the teammate, that should not translate to preferential treatment, wich is exactly the same you´re saying here, so... what are you trying to say exactly?

[Andres125sx]

A top team like Ferrari, RB , Mercedes who fight for titles will always have priority driver.

Repeating a lie ad nauseam will never make it true

Sainz is not bad but he is not fast enough to be #1 guy. Wonder why he was signed.

First assume a lie as true (every team prioritize a driver), then disregard Sainz so the obvious conclusion is prioritizing Lecrerc... but all that reasoning is false mate.

No, F1 teams do not prioritize any driver from the start of the season, except RBR. Once any of their drivers can´t fight for the title every team will prioritize the other driver, but only when the one of their drivers is out of the fight.

That´s the reason Rosberg is World Champion, Mercedes didn´t prioritize Hamilton from the start of the season, so a poor season by Lewis made it possible for Nico. What a bunch of amateurs this people from Ferrari and Mercedes F1 teams, right Shal_Leg16?

[AR3-GP]

A top team like Ferrari, RB , Mercedes who fight for titles will always have priority driver.

Repeating a lie ad nauseam will never make it true

Sainz is not bad but he is not fast enough to be #1 guy. Wonder why he was signed.

First assume a lie as true (every team prioritize a driver), then disregard Sainz so the obvious conclusion is prioritizing Lecrerc... but all that reasoning is false mate.

No, F1 teams do not prioritize any driver from the start of the season, except RBR. Once any of their drivers can´t fight for the title every team will prioritize the other driver, but only when the one of their drivers is out of the fight.

That´s the reason Rosberg is World Champion, Mercedes didn´t prioritize Hamilton from the start of the season, so a poor season by Lewis made it possible for Nico. What a bunch of amateurs this people from Ferrari and Mercedes F1 teams, right Shal_Leg16?

We're straying towards off topic but Mercedes did not have rivals in 2016. Prioritization didn't matter.

Bottas got moved over at the 4th GP in 2021. Merc are not stupid either.

These are thoroughbred sporting organizations designd to win, not cater to the 2nd driver. They are going to let their star put their best foot forward if they want to win. Nobody is going to bench Lebron James or Novak Djokovic so "someone else" can get more play time.....

The sooner Ferrari get onboard, the sooner they will deliver their first WDC in over a decade. Even if the toto directive was not introduced, Ferrari still would have lost due to intra team squabbling and lack of vision in races like Monaco and Silverstone.

[mzso]

i was talking about the fans and to be specific in Ferrari pages, Sainz fans who always advocate equal chance and always directly or indirectly dislike priority thing. which we obviously know why.

Regarding Ferrari not thinking about prioritizing drivers....well its just one of the many mistakes that has resulted in binotto getting the boot. Go and look at any season and see if the winning team had set priority or not. its a nonsense argument.

Regarding the explanation you gave .." make the not so talented driver to fight for the title "

its a simple logic that im amazed why cant sainz fans get, for example - you are given 1 liter water and asked to fill a container to max height, here you are advocating that instead of putting that water in single container and achieve max height , lets just divide it in two containers so that ( hypothetically ) if one container breaks( which should not happen considering the level at you are competeing ) we will have plan B. Great.

Not a useful analogy. It's better to have both drivers high in points so if one of them falls out the other can pick up the fight. Sacrificing one for the other is a last resort.

[mzso]

Because of the TPs misplaced priorities of not letting Leclerc be the power center in the team, the technical team missed most of 2022 in fine tuning the car around Leclerc, something RBR did unapologetically for Max.

Ferrari and Leclerc will not be in the place they should be for start of next year to what they should have been because of the multiple development directions taken this year.

You guys have this. dilusion, that a good driver like Leclerc needs some special car designed for them. Not true, he just needs a competitive one.

Its not about him needing a car to perform. its about maximizing the performance.

He is human after all not a GOD that he wont have any ambiguities. if they trust him and work upon making that fast car even more suitable to his liking & driving style that's going to make them more faster. even that small fraction of second matters in F1.

It's still mostly a fancy dream. All the need to do is improve the car's performance and he will drive it fast, without god-like powers.
Developing for convenience and style is a rather dangerous path. Easily leading to a dead end path with an inferior car.

[AR3-GP]

Not a useful analogy. It's better to have both drivers high in points so if one of them falls out the other can pick up the fight. Sacrificing one for the other is a last resort.

The quote blockchain didn't quite look right, so forgive me if you are not the one who said this....

So to answer.....what you almost never happens. I see it used mainly as a cop out in order to curry support for the inferior driver.

Even if Leclerc had all the points, and then had a "tennis accident" with 3 races to go, it still would have been the right call to back him because 9.9 times out of 10, nothing happens to the superior driver. You don't throw away seasons on end waiting for the fluke season where Leclerc has all the reliability troubles and Sainz none.

[mzso]

This - equal treatment is the Norm in F1 is the joke of the century.

and all the sennas, shumis, vettels, lewis, Alonsos & maxs of F1 world are laughing at this.

I can't believe there are people who actually believe this... The last duo that didn't have a clear status were Prost and Senna in McLaren and it was clear why that was. This was more than 30 years ago. Bar Rosberg, every champion since was a number 1 in that season. Rosberg won despite of his defacto number 2 status.

Not true. Even recently Hamilton, Verstappen earned their preferential treatment by vastly outperforming their teammates

[bluechris]

For me the situation is crystal clear. No matter the team, if a driver after the 1st 4-5 races is ahead with a good margin of his teammate, he must get preferencial treatment. This is the way to go to reduce problems and headaches to the team and between the drivers etc.
Ferrari hasn't done that in binotto era and that was imo an extra nail in his coffin.

All the teams back a driver somehow, especially the front running teams because this is the way to win championships, period.

Next year Ferrari must help Leclerc according to his results from the previous years. Oufcourse if Sainz go suddenly super fast and is above Leclerc after 4-5 races then they must adapt to Carlos but i don't think this is the case with him.

[AR3-GP]

For me the situation is crystal clear. No matter the team, if a driver after the 1st 4-5 races is ahead with a good margin of his teammate, he must get preferencial treatment. This is the way to go to reduce problems and headaches to the team and between the drivers etc.
Ferrari hasn't done that in binotto era and that was imo an extra nail in his coffin.

They did. Vettel was prioritized in 2019. Problem is the car wasn't there, and Leclerc was too fast for it to make any sense.

[saviour stivala]

I believe that most if not all teams goes into the season with both drivers on equal status until the situations evolves such that it is clear that one driver needs be prioritized over the other, that is if the situation evolves such, as the situation can remain static like Mercedes situation evolved this year.

[saviour stivala]

This - equal treatment is the Norm in F1 is the joke of the century.

and all the sennas, shumis, vettels, lewis, Alonsos & maxs of F1 world are laughing at this.

I can't believe there are people who actually believe this... The last duo that didn't have a clear status were Prost and Senna in McLaren and it was clear why that was. This was more than 30 years ago. Bar Rosberg, every champion since was a number 1 in that season. Rosberg won despite of his defacto number 2 status.

Exactly. let go all the past and lets focus on present. Truth is RB clearly have a #1 driver and every raceday all they do is pull all strings together to maximize his position/points. You fooking cant beat them without sorting your own thing.

is this really that hard to understand ? or else only thing you care is seeing you guy having a good season ( which includes him enjoying few podiums, odd win, a top 4 driver standing and bonus of beating his teammate.) do hell with titles and championship.

If there ever was a driver regarded as number one in a team that was Schumacher, and still there was a season where a situation evolved such that he had to race to help his de-facto number two (Irven) and his team achieve the championship as his chances were nil.

[Big Tea]

For me the situation is crystal clear. No matter the team, if a driver after the 1st 4-5 races is ahead with a good margin of his teammate, he must get preferencial treatment. This is the way to go to reduce problems and headaches to the team and between the drivers etc.
Ferrari hasn't done that in binotto era and that was imo an extra nail in his coffin.

All the teams back a driver somehow, especially the front running teams because this is the way to win championships, period.

Next year Ferrari must help Leclerc according to his results from the previous years. Oufcourse if Sainz go suddenly super fast and is above Leclerc after 4-5 races then they must adapt to Carlos but i don't think this is the case with him.

After a few races it is fair enough, they can see who is the best option, I don't think most would disagree. At the onset of the season though, there may be nuances with the car that mean one driver will get more out of it than the other.
Example, who would have put money on a new driver beating Vettel in the car he had been dominant in?

TBH though, we have to assume that even as soon as the first race, the team have a good idea of which driver is going to come out on top, but if it is a close thing, is it worth keeping options open