McLaren MCL60

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continuum16 wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 19:27
Front suspension seems even higher relative to the chassis this year compared to last. Almost r-shaped where it meets the top of the bulkhead.
Scarbs also noted the height of the wishbone, interesting

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Venturiation wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 19:29
continuum16 wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 19:27
Front suspension seems even higher relative to the chassis this year compared to last. Almost r-shaped where it meets the top of the bulkhead.
they make their own suspension or bought from merc?
They make their own; the geometry is not that different to 2022, but they moved the wishbone pickup points up (or lowered the bulkhead by a cm or two).
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Latest 2022 spec versus 2023 launch spec (renders):

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Studio shots lack the lighting to show this, but on the renders, the leading edge of the floor has a weird hump on it.

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Emag wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 19:33
Studio shots lack the lighting to show this, but on the renders, the leading edge of the floor has a weird hump on it.

https://ibb.co/0YqmJgJ
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Few more comparisons, via: @AlbertFabrega

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Another comparison, this time via Sala Stampa… It seems that the MCL60 might have a bit of rake:

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Macklaren wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 19:27
The sidepods on the launch car is one third Mercedes, 1/3 Ferrari and one third Red Bull
More like 90% RB, 10% Ferrari, 0% Merc.

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SmallSoldier wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 20:04
Another comparison, this time via Sala Stampa… It seems that the MCL60 might have a bit of rake:
Is that really something we can judge from the available pictures?

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SmallSoldier wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 19:26
DiogoBrand wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 19:19
Evolution rather than revolution, as expected.
I see a lot of last year's car on it, with a bit more Red Bull-esque details.
Wouldn't get my hopes too high but let's see.
What could be expected? The RB18 was very dominant… Convergence with the regulations was expected… Why not follow a concept that showed it worked?
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just stating the obvious.
Sometimes converging to what proved to be the best works well, other times not so much. We'll have to wait and see.

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SmallSoldier wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 19:36
Emag wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 19:33
Studio shots lack the lighting to show this, but on the renders, the leading edge of the floor has a weird hump on it.

https://ibb.co/0YqmJgJ
https://i.imgur.com/goMOSQm.jpg
Looks like it is a side protection crash structure lower beam. Interesting, why they exposed it like that. Probably they want to extend the entry to the verturis as much forward as possible?

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Emag wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 19:33
Studio shots lack the lighting to show this, but on the renders, the leading edge of the floor has a weird hump on it.

https://ibb.co/0YqmJgJ
Outwash?

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Peter Piper wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 20:10
SmallSoldier wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 20:04
Another comparison, this time via Sala Stampa… It seems that the MCL60 might have a bit of rake:
Is that really something we can judge from the available pictures?
Well, that’s all we have to judge by right now :)

But, there was a lot of talk about how with the changes in the floors, having a bit of rake (in order to not only increase downforce, but better manage suspension compliance) was to be expected… Pictures of the 2023 Alpine seem to show some rake also while on their shakedown… I would have expected a bit more rake now that the teams understand how to work with the Venturi tunnels a bit more.

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timbo wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 20:13
SmallSoldier wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 19:36
Emag wrote:
13 Feb 2023, 19:33
Studio shots lack the lighting to show this, but on the renders, the leading edge of the floor has a weird hump on it.

https://ibb.co/0YqmJgJ
https://i.imgur.com/goMOSQm.jpg
Looks like it is a side protection crash structure lower beam. Interesting, why they exposed it like that. Probably they want to extend the entry to the verturis as much forward as possible?
Yes, freeing up some space in that area

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Stella has already commented that there has been a particular weak area of last years car which was very difficult to address. They are not 100% satisfied with the launch spec because of this.

This mystery weakness will be addressed with updates in the upcoming months as they finally found a way to go around it.

I believe the mystery weakness is either the weak frontend (including chronic understeer) or the weak traction.

Let's hope the car starts out strong. With updates in the pipeline that should give the team a good confidence boost.