Oracle Red Bull Racing RB19 Speculation Thread

[AR3-GP]

This is what I actually thought initially as well. I just forgot that Alfa already had such a wing last year.
But this wing on RB19 is clearly not a low DF wing, not like Monza spec one on Alfa, which is interesting.

Yes you wouldn’t have a ultra low downforce or Monza spec on a cold day in Silverstone.

My thinking is that the small wing indicates significant gains on the floor downforce.

You think they will use this small wing in Bahrain?

If I did, it would be nothing more than wishful thinking on my part . The truth is we don't know much about this car .


As an aside, following the developments of the new cars from AM, Alpine, and Williams, I suspect the RB has channels in the top of the sidepod now.

[LM10]

Are Red Bull the first team to actually manage to carry out a pre-season in secret? These 144p photos leave something to be desired....

Considering that as soon as testing starts next week, we'll see high resolution images from the whole car, this hide and seek game coupled with their so called launch is ridiculous.

It's not ridiculous at all. When you have 6 other teams following in the footsteps of your concept you need to keep your cards close to your chest. Merc could have revealed their car a month ago and it wouldn't have made a difference because no one is going to copy it. Similar for Ferrari. For RB every day matters.

The midfield teams are not even anywhere near RedBull. Totally irrelevant to hide the car for 2 weeks from them.

[AR3-GP]

Considering that as soon as testing starts next week, we'll see high resolution images from the whole car, this hide and seek game coupled with their so called launch is ridiculous.

It's not ridiculous at all. When you have 6 other teams following in the footsteps of your concept you need to keep your cards close to your chest. Merc could have revealed their car a month ago and it wouldn't have made a difference because no one is going to copy it. Similar for Ferrari. For RB every day matters.

The midfield teams are not even anywhere near RedBull. Totally irrelevant to hide the car for 2 weeks from them.

Rb have a methodology to their madness. It's what makes them so successful. The things you overlook, they take into account. This comes in many ways shapes and forms for the big 3 teams. RB want to keep something close their vest. So be it.

You aren't going to see the Bahrain GP package until Bahrain anyway. Do you remember the W13 launch spec? It was a car sure, but nothing like what they actually intended to run.

[Cs98]

Considering that as soon as testing starts next week, we'll see high resolution images from the whole car, this hide and seek game coupled with their so called launch is ridiculous.

It's not ridiculous at all. When you have 6 other teams following in the footsteps of your concept you need to keep your cards close to your chest. Merc could have revealed their car a month ago and it wouldn't have made a difference because no one is going to copy it. Similar for Ferrari. For RB every day matters.

The midfield teams are not even anywhere near RedBull. Totally irrelevant to hide the car for 2 weeks from them.

Easier to stay ahead that way. Every one of those teams is looking to copy RB first chance they get, no reason to help them. After all, what do they gain by releasing the car early? The gratitude of some hobby technical "experts" on the internet

[AR3-GP]

It's not ridiculous at all. When you have 6 other teams following in the footsteps of your concept you need to keep your cards close to your chest. Merc could have revealed their car a month ago and it wouldn't have made a difference because no one is going to copy it. Similar for Ferrari. For RB every day matters.

The midfield teams are not even anywhere near RedBull. Totally irrelevant to hide the car for 2 weeks from them.

Easier to stay ahead that way. Every one of those teams is looking to copy RB first chance they get, no reason to help them. After all, what do they gain by releasing the car early? The gratitude of some hobby technical "experts" on the internet

behave

[carisi2k]

So funny that this thread is still the speculation thread while every other car has it's own actual thread.

[chrisc90]

I dont blame them though. Why give other teams a month of analysis of their design which they might be able to adapt for themselves. Literally makes no sense.

A month of showcasing your designs early gives teams way more time. If it takes a month to copy a design or engineer it into your own car, thats 3 races where you wouldnt have had that 'lead' in design.

[Vanja #66]

Full support to keeping everyone guessing, even if it's not as effective now as it was before budget cap. Imagine the fun they are having at the HQ, reading pundits, bloggers, forums trying to guess whats going on

[LM10]

It's not ridiculous at all. When you have 6 other teams following in the footsteps of your concept you need to keep your cards close to your chest. Merc could have revealed their car a month ago and it wouldn't have made a difference because no one is going to copy it. Similar for Ferrari. For RB every day matters.

The midfield teams are not even anywhere near RedBull. Totally irrelevant to hide the car for 2 weeks from them.

Easier to stay ahead that way. Every one of those teams is looking to copy RB first chance they get, no reason to help them. After all, what do they gain by releasing the car early? The gratitude of some hobby technical "experts" on the internet

The concept of copying is overhyped. Remember the Racing Point being almost a total copy of Mercedes. They still were miles away performance wise. A car being a “copy” will never be as fast as the “original” one. You can only hide details of your own car to prevent others implementing it on their own car.
If you have some kind of a silver bullet on your car which you’re trying to hide for 2 additional weeks, it most probably is going to be a hard or almost impossible thing to copy anyway in times of a budget cap. Other than that, it’s always the whole car which works in synergy and can never be copied to the point it works the same.

[organic]

The midfield teams are not even anywhere near RedBull. Totally irrelevant to hide the car for 2 weeks from them.

Easier to stay ahead that way. Every one of those teams is looking to copy RB first chance they get, no reason to help them. After all, what do they gain by releasing the car early? The gratitude of some hobby technical "experts" on the internet

The concept of copying is overhyped. Remember the Racing Point being almost a total copy of Mercedes. They still were miles away performance wise. A car being a “copy” will never be as fast as the “original” one. You can only hide details of your own car to prevent others implementing it on their own car.
If you have some kind of a silver bullet on your car which you’re trying to hide for 2 additional weeks, it most probably is going to be a hard or almost impossible thing to copy anyway in times of a budget cap. Other than that, it’s always the whole car which works in synergy and can never be copied to the point it works the same.

Not sure about miles away. Rp20 was a copy of the w10 and competed against the w11.

In 2020 at Bahrain Perez in q3 did a 128.3. in 2019 in the w10 Bottas and Ham both did around a 1.28.2 and theyre both much better qualifiers than Perez. The gaps are similarly not enormous on most tracks. Yes conditions are going to be different but the rp20 was surprisingly close to the w10 in performance

Anyway this is off topic apologies

[kediown]

This is the "true" speculation thread. We have nothing but only a few pixels to speculate about, and that one pixel have many details of the car inside it let alone the video artifaction. Personally I feel like the floor performance will be even better to run smaller wings on the car if I can make any comment based on the shakedown.
I'm curious about if we could see mirror winglets on the RB19. What could be the potential pros and cons for their concept?

[PlatinumZealot]

Their wind tunnel time for 2023 has been severely stunted... I mean like half a second of magnitude stunted.. So Redbull is actually behind on purpose... Maximizing CFD to the very last minute.

[mendis]

Their wind tunnel time for 2023 has been severely stunted... I mean like half a second of magnitude stunted.. So Redbull is actually behind on purpose... Maximizing CFD to the very last minute.

I am sure, they are atleast a second and half ahead and doesn't want to show their innovations, hence the secrecy. They have lost insignificant amount of wind tunnel time.

[AR3-GP]

Their wind tunnel time for 2023 has been severely stunted... I mean like half a second of magnitude stunted.. So Redbull is actually behind on purpose... Maximizing CFD to the very last minute.

of course

[Cs98]

The midfield teams are not even anywhere near RedBull. Totally irrelevant to hide the car for 2 weeks from them.

Easier to stay ahead that way. Every one of those teams is looking to copy RB first chance they get, no reason to help them. After all, what do they gain by releasing the car early? The gratitude of some hobby technical "experts" on the internet

The concept of copying is overhyped. Remember the Racing Point being almost a total copy of Mercedes. They still were miles away performance wise. A car being a “copy” will never be as fast as the “original” one. You can only hide details of your own car to prevent others implementing it on their own car.
If you have some kind of a silver bullet on your car which you’re trying to hide for 2 additional weeks, it most probably is going to be a hard or almost impossible thing to copy anyway in times of a budget cap. Other than that, it’s always the whole car which works in synergy and can never be copied to the point it works the same.

You say that but we have 7 cars following a very similar concept after one year of new regs. Only three of those cars actually started out using the concept (RB, AT, Alpine). And using AM as an example. They were actually quite quick at the end of the season using their RB copy, much quicker than at the start.

So copying is very prevalent, even more so now when 7 teams are following a similar concept meaning there’s better correlation for applying stolen ideas.