McLaren MCL60

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Andi76 wrote:
21 Feb 2023, 16:48
McLarenMor wrote:
21 Feb 2023, 14:18
It's amazing taking into consideration the MP4-26's tunnel sidepods, swooping design and high shoulders that McLaren didn't jump the gun with this design philosophy.

https://hips.hearstapps.com/es.h-cdn.co ... size=980:*

The MP4-26 would have dominated last season :lol:

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Looking at this wiki page:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_MP4-26

the tunnels are so reminiscent of the current designs.
Actually this "no spill over"-design was innovated by Rory Byrne with the championship winning Benetton B194 :

https://postimages.org/

Rory Byrne later improved that design on the WCC-winning Ferrari F399:

https://postimages.org/

It's probably no coincidence that Ferrari's design team listened closely to the advice of someone named Rory Byrne on the car that produced the last evolution of such sidepods.

David Sanchez, the creator of these sidepods on the McLaren MP4-26, like many F1 designers and engineers, copied one of Rory Byrne's numerous ideas. Since David Sanchez is now an aerodynamicist and chief of vehicle concepts for the Ferrari team, advised by Rory Byrne, one could say that this evolution is almost a logical consequence of this constellation.
Well I would argue that it was invented on the F92A by Jean-Claude Migeot.
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As discussed here : viewtopic.php?p=1111032#p1111032

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f1rules wrote:
21 Feb 2023, 13:34
a small river they managed to fit, not like alpine or am
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpfMnH7XgAA ... name=small
The MCL36 also had the “water slides”… This year they are an evolution

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f1rules wrote:
21 Feb 2023, 13:34
a small river they managed to fit, not like alpine or am
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no ventilation as well for maximum performance, a fundamental modification from last year

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There was definitely ventilation on the launch car. Possibly not seen on this particular photo due to the quality.
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Some footage of the MCL60 on track, the onboard shows the bare carbon behind the halo



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Holm86 wrote:
21 Feb 2023, 17:07
Andi76 wrote:
21 Feb 2023, 16:48
McLarenMor wrote:
21 Feb 2023, 14:18
It's amazing taking into consideration the MP4-26's tunnel sidepods, swooping design and high shoulders that McLaren didn't jump the gun with this design philosophy.

https://hips.hearstapps.com/es.h-cdn.co ... size=980:*


The MP4-26 would have dominated last season :lol:

Edit:
Looking at this wiki page:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_MP4-26

the tunnels are so reminiscent of the current designs.
Actually this "no spill over"-design was innovated by Rory Byrne with the championship winning Benetton B194 :

https://postimages.org/

Rory Byrne later improved that design on the WCC-winning Ferrari F399:

https://postimages.org/

It's probably no coincidence that Ferrari's design team listened closely to the advice of someone named Rory Byrne on the car that produced the last evolution of such sidepods.

David Sanchez, the creator of these sidepods on the McLaren MP4-26, like many F1 designers and engineers, copied one of Rory Byrne's numerous ideas. Since David Sanchez is now an aerodynamicist and chief of vehicle concepts for the Ferrari team, advised by Rory Byrne, one could say that this evolution is almost a logical consequence of this constellation.
Well I would argue that it was invented on the F92A by Jean-Claude Migeot.
https://api.ferrari.com/cms/network/med ... width=1080

As discussed here : viewtopic.php?p=1111032#p1111032
That's a completely different concept. These are offset sidepods nothing else. A completely diffferent concept that aerodynamically also do not prevent any "spill-over".

Such concepts, like John Barnard's F310, were based on fighter aerodynamics and were designed to prevent turbulence from entering the sidepods through boundary layer thickening. What their designers didn't consider is that they were flowing the side pods directly into the front wheel wake instead. As I said, a completely different concept that also doesn't stop spill over the shoulders of the side boxes.

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They covered the floor by adding some post process video effects. There is something that they not want others to see?
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why are they blurring the floor?

at 1:28 you can see it clearly

it looks similar to the W14 one

at 2:14 you can hear clearly the floor scrapping

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covered again

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All teams are present at the circuit anyway. It’s not as if they don’t have their photographers with them…

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at 1:28 you can see it clearly

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Venturiation wrote:
21 Feb 2023, 20:08
at 1:28 you can see it clearly
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Best I can do. Floor edge wing does seem to be utilized in the same location and way as Merc. Can even see the hint of winglets on the underside of the edge wing to aid extraction

Undercut also looking quite large

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sbrillo wrote:
21 Feb 2023, 19:52
They covered the floor by adding some post process video effects. There is something that they not want others to see?
We will have quality pictures in a couple of days I’m sure :)

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Best I can do.

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