Mercedes W14

[Logie]

SKY UK F1 talking about Merc having a massive upgrade package for start of the European races, Ted asked why dont they have it now.

[Shrieker]

Pat Symonds saying the ride this year is much, much better than last year's car.

He mentioned something like peak Gs being a third it was, this time last year. Don't exactly know what data he is referring or has access to, though.

[Goblin42]

[AR3-GP]

SKY UK F1 talking about Merc having a massive upgrade package for start of the European races, Ted asked why dont they have it now.

Time and manufacturing constraints most likely.

[pursue_one's]

" A question mark continues to hover over Mercedes. George Russell and Lewis Hamilton were once again stingy with fast laps. Toto Wolff revealed that the data showed a massive loss of downforce on the front axle.

To make matters worse, a crucial sensor that would have been helpful in this matter had also failed. During the night, the Silver Arrow will now be completely disassembled to get to the bottom of the problem. "We feel a bit lost because we don't know where we stand," Toto Wolff admitted contritely in the evening. "

Translated with www.DeepL.com/

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... -bestzeit/

[AR3-GP]

Nah wasn't my intention also I like the question. If there is supposedly big changes coming, why isn't the car starting off that way?

We have no clue on the planned changes but let's say they come with similar philosophy to say Aston. Why they wasting there time now with current setup.

Guess we have to wait and see

Change isn't the work of a minute! If you come up with a new idea, it takes time to manufacture. So it's safe to say the new ideas did not come in time for the start of the season.

[Big Tea]

SKY UK F1 talking about Merc having a massive upgrade package for start of the European races, Ted asked why dont they have it now.

Time and manufacturing constraints most likely.

Could be that they were unsure which way to go with something until it had been run. If.. then option A .if....then option B. No point wasting the expense of making two sets these days dur to cost cap.

[Goblin42]

Flow vis on the W14 front wing

[chrisc90]

Is it just the photo or does the rear of the body/lower engine tub look a lot different to anyone elses? It looks a lot 'wider' before it tapers back, compared to say the RB19 where you can see much further 'forwards' on the cars underfloor

[AA_2019]

Can someone explain why the "zero pod" concept has any advantage over the RB concept ?

It is clear on the RB that their sidepods:
- help outwash the aero damaging front tyre wake with the high and wide upper section of the pods
- helps reduce drag on rear tyres give higher top speed
- takes the lovely clean air lower down but above the underfloor entry and scoops it under the side pod and towards the rear diffuser and beam wing to help generate downforce from that area.

By contrast the Merc pods don't outwash the tyre wake as well and all that lovely clean air just above the entry to the floor goes into the radiators rather than use for aero optimisation.

What are the advantages of the "zero pods" other than a lower centre of gravity which in this ground effects era is less critical.

[hollus]

A reminder to everyone but specially to the new people (welcome!).
The car threads are specially strictly moderated in this forum. Stick to this car and to hardware in the car threads.
Team politics and other team things, please in the team threads.
Lap times and will they be faster/slower than XYZ, either in the team threads, in the testing thread or in the race threads.

If your post is in this thread and is not centering on this car, the physical car, it might have been or might be deleted or moved.

Most definitively, if you post was to say"uh-uh, they look slow" or "they look in trouble", that post is gone.

Let's keep the awesome car threads on this forum
a) focused on the hardware and
b) awesome.

Thanks.

P.S. 33 posts have been deleted from the last 11 pages and at least 13 moved to other threads (so that looks like 8 pages to you).

[deadhead]

Can someone explain why the "zero pod" concept has any advantage over the RB concept ?

It is clear on the RB that their sidepods:
- help outwash the aero damaging front tyre wake with the high and wide upper section of the pods
- helps reduce drag on rear tyres give higher top speed
- takes the lovely clean air lower down but above the underfloor entry and scoops it under the side pod and towards the rear diffuser and beam wing to help generate downforce from that area.

By contrast the Merc pods don't outwash the tyre wake as well and all that lovely clean air just above the entry to the floor goes into the radiators rather than use for aero optimisation.

What are the advantages of the "zero pods" other than a lower centre of gravity which in this ground effects era is less critical.

This might help

[BlueCheetah66]

https://twitter.com/f1motospogp/status/ ... 36545?s=20

Shows an interesting comparison between the W14 and the RB19. Obviously the tyre smoke will not perfect represent the tyre wake but it does show how much better the RB19 is at keeping wake from reaching the beam wing and diffuser

[cplchanb]

Flow vis on the W14 front wing
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpwKwsEXoAA ... name=large

what is the TLDR of this flow pattern aero wise?

[Morteza]

Did not notice how much bodywork there was around the front suspension wishbones on the Mercedes W14. Maximum downwash to feed the Venturi inlets.