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It matters because far too many people here blow a simple issue up into a dozen other massive issues they made up in their heads, and then start screaming about incompetence in here.
Almost every car on track has had issues. That's how building race cars goes, something you become very aware that 99.9% of people here have never done because having only a couple of issues like this in testing would be amazing for most race series.
Yes, they're losing time, you can't really do much about that, it's heat cured epoxy, it needs ~70 minutes to cure under temperature, you just have to sit back and twiddle your thumbs.
Red Bull had wings cracking left right and centre all season last year and being patched up, are they amateurs too? Or are they doing what a race team should, and optimising everything to the very edge?
The problem is that we do the least amount of laps and we are slower than most. So even if the other teams has problems they are doing a better job fixing and geting time on track.
If you know where you’re at and the balance is where it needs to be then you can drive all the laps in the world but won’t much improve matters. The car is decent but I guess the development target was to close the gap to the front. That hasn’t happened. AM has filled that void. Here is hoping for a very decent step for the Baku race
It matters because far too many people here blow a simple issue up into a dozen other massive issues they made up in their heads, and then start screaming about incompetence in here.
Almost every car on track has had issues. That's how building race cars goes, something you become very aware that 99.9% of people here have never done because having only a couple of issues like this in testing would be amazing for most race series.
Yes, they're losing time, you can't really do much about that, it's heat cured epoxy, it needs ~70 minutes to cure under temperature, you just have to sit back and twiddle your thumbs.
Red Bull had wings cracking left right and centre all season last year and being patched up, are they amateurs too? Or are they doing what a race team should, and optimising everything to the very edge?
I am not sure why are you so defensive. Most of us here are long term fans of McLaren, we want the same thing. Regarding the pushing the envelope, I have no problem with that but I am not sure this is the case here. Red Bull is a bad example as they are the fastest team so they have the privilege to get a few things wrong.
What surprises me is that the wheel brow still needs to be fixed on track. They could have cured any amount of epoxy over night. Maybe Norris uses more kerbs which causes damage to it? Piastri had no major issues yesterday afternoon.
BTW the lap Lando did wasn't bad. 1.6s behind on a C3.
Yes, different problems take different times to fix. One team had their entire bodywork blow off in the filming days, happens regularly.
It sucks, but there's not really much they can do about it.
As far as we know maybe one of the drivers clouted a kerb hard the first day and cracked it, then the quick patch up jobs can't match the original strength of the part, it cracks again after a lot more fatigue, so you end up on a constant set of running repairs. Happens. You can't fix it until you strip and get the entire part off, investigate to be certain of what the problem is - which is what they've been doing the past couple of days and are sure there's no issue with just fitting a revised spare they have already for the race, by the way - so you just have to patch and hope it's strong enough for a while.
And that's somehow got people screaming it's amateurish and unprofessional. It's hilarious, any team on the grid could be in the same spot - RB and Merc had oil leaks in the garage and shutdowns on track yesterday - is every team on the grid amateurish and unprofessional, or is it just far too many armchair racers on here have zero idea what goes into actually running racecars and wants to point fingers because they're just upset and feel like screaming?
Worse than that is the sheer amount of people in this thread in particular that take a simple problem and then make up a whole new set of problems in their head and then post with authority telling everyone else the sky is falling, just for their own attention, it's disgraceful how much it keeps on going, to be honest.
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Red Bull is a bad example as they are the fastest team so they have the privilege to get a few things wrong.
They are the *best* example. They didn't get there by adding extra weight to every part 'just in case' so they never have any issues. They pare everything down to the last 0.1% as they showed last year.
Your performance delta from a winning car to the back of the grid is only 2-3%, you don't leave anything on the table just to keep fans happy at home about you doing twice the milage in testing but at the back of the grid.
You have a problem in testing when you have serious problems you can't fix and can't nail down the source of - we've seen before over the years teams only getting 30 laps in for days in a row. That's not the case here. It's a bit of cracked carbon. It's an easy fix. The time is what it is, you can't really change how fast the repair takes when it comes to resin, no matter whether you're Red Bull or Mclaren or Williams.
Red Bull is a bad example as they are the fastest team so they have the privilege to get a few things wrong.
They are the *best* example. They didn't get there by adding extra weight to every part 'just in case' so they never have any issues. They pare everything down to the last 0.1% as they showed last year.
Your performance delta from a winning car to the back of the grid is only 2-3%, you don't leave anything on the table just to keep fans happy at home about you doing twice the milage in testing but at the back of the grid.
You have a problem in testing when you have serious problems you can't fix and can't nail down the source of - we've seen before over the years teams only getting 30 laps in for days in a row. That's not the case here. It's a bit of cracked carbon. It's an easy fix. The time is what it is, you can't really change how fast the repair takes when it comes to resin, no matter whether you're Red Bull or Mclaren or Williams.
The problem is not only a bit of cracked carbon, the problem is peaky downforce and high drag. We all have hopes that the team would build a more competive car than last years but from what we see and hear from testing is the oposite.
That's motor racing.
If it was the same every year then the running order would never change.
If everyone nailed everything perfectly we'd have a grid of cars all exactly the same shape and pace.
You can be a fan of a team without having the scream the sky is falling any time they drop back slightly. It's honestly like the tribe of so called 'fair weather fans' in football lately around here - it's our amazing team any time they got forward and then 'useless amateurs' the second any other team does something slightly better, it's tedious to read, adds nothing to the discussion, and frankly the people spreading misinformation constantly are outright irritating lately - and I think the amount of people saying similar and that it's becoming like the subreddits they already avoid have a good point, I agree wholeheartedly with that feeling.
That's motor racing.
If it was the same every year then the running order would never change.
If everyone nailed everything perfectly we'd have a grid of cars all exactly the same shape and pace.
You can be a fan of a team without having the scream the sky is falling any time they drop back slightly. It's honestly like the tribe of so called 'fair weather fans' in football lately around here - it's our amazing team any time they got forward and then 'useless amateurs' the second any other team does something slightly better, it's tedious to read, adds nothing to the discussion, and frankly the people spreading misinformation constantly are outright irritating lately - and I think the amount of people saying similar and that it's becoming like the subreddits they already avoid have a good point, I agree wholeheartedly with that feeling.
So you are saying that if they dont get out of Q3 you will just say ”well thats racing, leta hope we get better next time”?
he was impressedd how he wrestled the car, but they went on to say, that they were very insecure about the vibes coming out from the team, whereas am and alpine there are positive vibes/rumors
So you are saying that if they dont get out of Q3 you will just say ”well thats racing, leta hope we get better next time”?
I'll be disappointed, seeing if we can see the reasons why, see if we think it's an operational issue or a car one, if future updates will help us or if the other teams are going to upgrade just as quickly - and cheering the team on to improve it, like most fans usually do.
Rather than going through 96 posts on here shouting about how the team are useless, how the technical heads are a waste of space, crying out for people to be fired and that the whole team is a set of talentless amateurs running a circus.
Because that adds nothing, nothing, but pointless dross for the rest of us to scroll through.
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he was impressedd how he wrestled the car, but they went on to say, that they were very insecure about the vibes coming out from the team, whereas am and alpine there are positive vibes/rumors
So you are saying that if they dont get out of Q3 you will just say ”well thats racing, leta hope we get better next time”?
I'll be disappointed, seeing if we can see the reasons why, see if we think it's an operational issue or a car one, if future updates will help us or if the other teams are going to upgrade just as quickly - and cheering the team on to improve it, like most fans usually do.
Rather than going through 96 posts on here shouting about how the team are useless, how the technical heads are a waste of space, crying out for people to be fired and that the whole team is a set of talentless amateurs running a circus.
Because that adds nothing, nothing, but pointlessdross for the rest of us to scroll through.
I have not said anyting about that the people working at the factory or in the racing operations are bad and useless. I’m just frustrated that we dont seeing any progress forward in the long run. From what we can see on testing and what we here from people that have good information inside F1 is that we are as a whole doing a worse job than 2021 and 2022…and I dont see how we got here.
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