FOTA agrees to drop KERS from 2010

[machin]

I'd say everyone should buy a common system...and unleash it. Sliding scale time vs. power...ie 10secs of 60hp or 4secs at 160hp...chosen by the driver adjustable per lap...that sort of thing.

The Merc system works best and weighs least. Just use that.

Two problems I see with that approach:-

1, It limits technological advancement, surely all us guys on here want to see tech advancement?
2, It means the cars are carrying around equipment which they can't use all the time.... it seems stupid to limit the usage per lap.... the limit should be on storage capacity alone... everything else unlimited... you can charge and discharge it as many times per lap as you want/are able to..... That would make people stop and take notice of the technology....

....at the moment the technology is being handicapped by the rules and that means even people on here are saying the technology is "just a nod towards the greens"!!!! It could be fantastic....

[gcdugas]

This is another sign of the impending split with the FIA. The FOTA are acting very independent already. In their hearts the FOTA have resigned themselves to the split because Max is implacable and autocratic. I see this as a "Freudian slip" revealing their heart being set on a course they may not want to verbally acknowledge until the divorce papers are served this Friday. They have been to the attorneys and they have gotten the papers from the courthouse, they have even filled them out but they haven't delivered them to the registrar and won't until Friday. Then they can talk about it.

[Scotracer]

That is far too intelligent for the unlimited revs, unlimited displacement crowd. Their brains are only stimulated by loud noise.

I am a self-admitted member of that crowd (although unlimited displacement doesn't arouse me much). One doesn't have to be brain dead to feel passionate about the most obvious thing at an F1 race - the noise. I am also, admittedly, a noise whore and a cars noise can make or break a car in my eyes. Call me 1 dimensional or whatever, but I refer to it as passion.

The BRM V16, the Ford DFV, the Ferrari V12, the Honda V10 are the lasting sensation of Formula 1 in many peoples' eyes. To remove that, is to remove the soul of the sport. I'm a purist.

What tok-tokkie is suggesting is not, by any means something I would look down on - it brings variety of technologies and noises to be sampled at a race (for instance, rotaries really do make a wonderful sound).

I love my Rotary at 10k rpm, probly louder than any F1 motor.

But today's F1 engines (2.4L V8 18k) rev higher than any of the engines you mentioned(cept for maybe the honda v-10)... do you remember how the turbo's sounded? They never reved past 13K if I remember... ever heard any of the CART/champ car 2.65L Turbo v8... they sounded fantastic, plus the added sounds of the turbo's wastegates and pop off valves added to the symphony. Honestly the spectacle of F1 has not been effected from going from unlimited 2.4L v8's to 19k rev limited and now to 18K rev limited. And definatly havent taken away as much as KERS has added.

I SERIOUSLY doubt your rotary is louder than an F1 car

I've been to almost every racing event imaginable and nothing has been as loud as an F1 car - even a Top Fuel Dragster is not as loud, in terms of SPL (they just blow your brains out with bass).

In fact, I've got permanent hearing damage after my Grand Prix trips

[ISLAMATRON]

I SERIOUSLY doubt your rotary is louder than an F1 car

I've been to almost every racing event imaginable and nothing has been as loud as an F1 car - even a Top Fuel Dragster is not as loud, in terms of SPL (they just blow your brains out with bass).

In fact, I've got permanent hearing damage after my Grand Prix trips

It probly isnt as loud but it sure feels like it when I'm in it. It is highly ported, peripheral port straight thru exhaust, no cat, straight thru "mufflers", if you want to call them that.

I been close to a top Fuel dragster at burnout and it took my breath away, literally, I could not breath at all ... I really dont remember feeling that way in 2000 or 2002 at the USGP and I got as close to the cars as I could

[FGD]

I SERIOUSLY doubt your rotary is louder than an F1 car

I've been to almost every racing event imaginable and nothing has been as loud as an F1 car - even a Top Fuel Dragster is not as loud, in terms of SPL (they just blow your brains out with bass).

In fact, I've got permanent hearing damage after my Grand Prix trips

It probly isnt as loud but it sure feels like it when I'm in it. It is highly ported, peripheral port straight thru exhaust, no cat, straight thru "mufflers", if you want to call them that.

I been close to a top Fuel dragster at burnout and it took my breath away, literally, I could not breath at all ... I really dont remember feeling that way in 2000 or 2002 at the USGP and I got as close to the cars as I could

Louder than a 2002 F1 V10? I'd love to hear more about your 10k wankel!

[Scania]

I think that super KERS will be very useful while no refill during races.

[FGD]

I think that super KERS will be very useful while no refill during races.

How so?

[Scania]

I think that super KERS will be very useful while no refill during races.

How so?

If you no need to booste, you can tune down 20hp of the engine out put but won't slow, that means you can save lots of fuel

[FGD]

I think that super KERS will be very useful while no refill during races.

How so?

If you no need to booste, you can tune down 20hp of the engine out put but won't slow, that means you can save lots of fuel

Tuned KERS? This suggests a second throttle. As it is, KERS is either on or off - 80 horsepower or 0.

I like the idea of a tuned KERS though. Perhaps that could be operated with the paddles... in the same way the engine mixture can be adjusted via the ECU. Not a bad idea.

[Scania]

Tuned KERS is allowed now, you can see there is a -4 - +4 switch about KERS on ferrari's steering wheel.

[gcdugas]

Tuned KERS is allowed now, you can see there is a -4 - +4 switch about KERS on ferrari's steering wheel.

Those are for time duration, not power delivery.

[Richard]

Don't forget KERS is also a "boost" button for better racing, it is the only reason Hamilton has scored any points this season, it has helped him overtake people, or hold off other cars.

Rather than ban it, why don't they allow unlimited number of customer KERS? In that case we'd have 2 suppliers (Merc and Fer). It would also be worthwhile for Renault or Toyota to develop their system if the costs can be shared with 3 teams.

I'd also give it unlimited use (but limited capacity) so it could work well with the ban on refuelling. Then drivers have a choice of aggressive use for overtaking, or use it for fuel efficiency.

[machin]

I'd also give it unlimited use (but limited capacity) so it could work well with the ban on refuelling. Then drivers have a choice of aggressive use for overtaking, or use it for fuel efficiency.

Yep, sounds good to me! Allow the technology to work to its full potential.. don't hamper it with "per lap" rules!

[flynfrog]

That is far too intelligent for the unlimited revs, unlimited displacement crowd. Their brains are only stimulated by loud noise.

I am a self-admitted member of that crowd (although unlimited displacement doesn't arouse me much). One doesn't have to be brain dead to feel passionate about the most obvious thing at an F1 race - the noise. I am also, admittedly, a noise whore and a cars noise can make or break a car in my eyes. Call me 1 dimensional or whatever, but I refer to it as passion.

The BRM V16, the Ford DFV, the Ferrari V12, the Honda V10 are the lasting sensation of Formula 1 in many peoples' eyes. To remove that, is to remove the soul of the sport. I'm a purist.

What tok-tokkie is suggesting is not, by any means something I would look down on - it brings variety of technologies and noises to be sampled at a race (for instance, rotaries really do make a wonderful sound).

I love my Rotary at 10k rpm, probly louder than any F1 motor.

But today's F1 engines (2.4L V8 18k) rev higher than any of the engines you mentioned(cept for maybe the honda v-10)... do you remember how the turbo's sounded? They never reved past 13K if I remember... ever heard any of the CART/champ car 2.65L Turbo v8... they sounded fantastic, plus the added sounds of the turbo's wastegates and pop off valves added to the symphony. Honestly the spectacle of F1 has not been effected from going from unlimited 2.4L v8's to 19k rev limited and now to 18K rev limited. And definatly havent taken away as much as KERS has added.

What exactly has it added a few fires and a few shocks. Shu's last engine provided much more excitement and entertainment than the total of KERS

[PlatinumZealot]

I like KERS.. anything that gives power at the push of a button is good to me.

This sounds crazy ..but I would like to see "Dog fighting" in F1.. As in a sort of Laser Tag... You have a fixed number of Laser shots.. The Laser system is connected to all the ECU's on the track.. You have to actually aim the laser with the car.. when you successfully shoot an opponent his rev limit is reduced for a couple of seconds.. But He can still shoot you if you try to pass.

Sounds Like Mario Kart.. but I would be delighted to see this as crazy at it sounds. (Blue shell for Jenson Button anyone? LOL) Anyways back to KERS.