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The rules do allow that. It's just that Dallara builds the HAAS.
Honda has worked with GM before and they can do it again, why not?chrisc90 wrote: ↑04 Feb 2023, 17:15Agree never going to see Honda and GM work together. Thats a bit like Ferrari using a Mercedes PU in the back. NEVER going to happen.
Maybe Honda should have done more to work with Red Bull. Who I presume are going to still be using their PU in 2026 just with Ford doing a bit of work on the electrical system. Whether Honda or Ford will be better at that only time will tell, but id imagine the Japanese have some very knowledgable people in that neck of the woods.
It could have been that Honda still wanted to make a engine aswell as the hybrid system, which is why it hasnt worked out with the Red Bull plans after RB announced they are making their own PU.
I cant see why Honda wouldnt have wanted to partnership with the best team on the grid over the last 3-4 years. It doesnt make sense not to want your name on the car at the front winning WDC and WCC trophies. its likely Honda doesnt want to just build electrical part but wants its hands on a PU aswell.
My opinion anyway.
That would be super weird, although it's not like Honda and Aston Martin stickers haven't appeared on the same race car before. At this point, Aston Martin Racing certainly seems like the best team without a 2026 engine contract!
APRIL 9, 2023
Honda's 2026 plans on hold until June
Honda is still considering an official return to Formula One from the start of 2026, but a final decision won't be taken until the middle of June.
Honda's former Technical Director Toyoharu Tanabe has remained in charge of that small group of engineers and has represented Honda in all the meetings of the Formula One Technical Group regarding the definition of the 2026 Power Unit regulations, showing the Japanese manufacturer has clearly kept the door open.
The Sakura-based technical group will now get a very important new element, as Masamitsu Motohashi, who replaced Tanabe at the end of 2021, has completed his final race in Melbourne as head of Honda's trackside operations and has returned to Japan to bring his experience to the Formula One group.
The question remains who would be the potential partner for the Japanese manufacturer to work with and, according to sources close to Honda, the two most likely alternatives are McLaren and Aston Martin.
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Why? RBPT have pulled a LOT of staff from other teams in to work on RBPT.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑09 Mar 2023, 15:23The RBPT unit would be a big risk in 2026.
It's a no-brainer to use Honda as a works engine.
I don't think Honda is capable of badging an entire constructor. They already did not want to badge the RBPT from 2026.JordanMugen wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 02:44Adam Cooper raises the point that the potential Aston Martin-Honda pairing of 2026, could actually be a Honda-Honda were Honda to replace Aston Martin as the naming rights sponsor of the team. AFAIK, the fee that Aston Martin pay for naming rights sponsorship is not that large and Honda could indeed budget to pay that.
That seems more plausible than an Aston Martin-Honda arrangement.
Paying $60-80m USD per annum in title sponsorship would certainly give Honda a lower risk way to compete in F1 as a " constructor " then stumping up $600-800m USD to buy a team. (And with all due respect, an easier way to get out of being an F1 constructor, when inevitably the time comes for a change of plans again.)
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/asto ... /10458254/
Losing F1 branding for AM, in favour of a works engine deal and Honda paying up for developing the custom gearbox the aero department would like to battle Redbull. I don’t think that is a bad deal. And the might change the team name and keep Aston Martin as a title sponsor. Like Aston Martin Racing Point HondaAR3-GP wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 02:51I don't think Honda is capable of badging an entire constructor. They already did not want to badge the RBPT from 2026.JordanMugen wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 02:44Adam Cooper raises the point that the potential Aston Martin-Honda pairing of 2026, could actually be a Honda-Honda were Honda to replace Aston Martin as the naming rights sponsor of the team. AFAIK, the fee that Aston Martin pay for naming rights sponsorship is not that large and Honda could indeed budget to pay that.
That seems more plausible than an Aston Martin-Honda arrangement.
Paying $60-80m USD per annum in title sponsorship would certainly give Honda a lower risk way to compete in F1 as a " constructor " then stumping up $600-800m USD to buy a team. (And with all due respect, an easier way to get out of being an F1 constructor, when inevitably the time comes for a change of plans again.)
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/asto ... /10458254/
Furthermore, Lawrence has no incentive to give up the positive branding of the F1 constructor for Aston Martin Lagonda, in which he is also a shareholder.
Aston Martin is a title sponsor (not a team owner) currently. The team owner is Lawrence Stroll. Would Lawrence sell the team to Honda? Well...there's no incentive for Honda to buy the team, if Aston Martin remains as a title sponsor. The current Silverstone team is fully funded and staffed. Honda would want to have their input from Sakura/HRD. It's not compatible. Honda can have their name in the project by way of the engine supply.NL_Fer wrote: ↑23 Apr 2023, 19:14Losing F1 branding for AM, in favour of a works engine deal and Honda paying up for developing the custom gearbox the aero department would like to battle Redbull. I don’t think that is a bad deal. And the might change the team name and keep Aston Martin as a title sponsor. Like Aston Martin Racing Point HondaAR3-GP wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 02:51I don't think Honda is capable of badging an entire constructor. They already did not want to badge the RBPT from 2026.JordanMugen wrote: ↑20 Apr 2023, 02:44Adam Cooper raises the point that the potential Aston Martin-Honda pairing of 2026, could actually be a Honda-Honda were Honda to replace Aston Martin as the naming rights sponsor of the team. AFAIK, the fee that Aston Martin pay for naming rights sponsorship is not that large and Honda could indeed budget to pay that.
That seems more plausible than an Aston Martin-Honda arrangement.
Paying $60-80m USD per annum in title sponsorship would certainly give Honda a lower risk way to compete in F1 as a " constructor " then stumping up $600-800m USD to buy a team. (And with all due respect, an easier way to get out of being an F1 constructor, when inevitably the time comes for a change of plans again.)
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/asto ... /10458254/
Furthermore, Lawrence has no incentive to give up the positive branding of the F1 constructor for Aston Martin Lagonda, in which he is also a shareholder.
It didn’t seem to be a problem back with Aston Martin Redbull Racing Honda…
