2023 Bahrain Grand Prix - Sakhir, March 03 - 05

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AR3-GP wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:28
cplchanb wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:25
AR3-GP wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:08


Well Stroll has already wasted precious running time for Felipe.
the medical standard based on if the driver can self extract. it doesnt restrict based on speed unless it is causing him to drive dangerously which he is not. he is just slow and not taking the optimal line. stop doomsdaying based on a friday practice.
Does this man look like he can self-extract?

Isn't there a 7s extraction test they have to pass? Surely he is not passing it in that state.

They probably had Stroll yesterday morning completely fresh without any laps under his belt do the extraction test, and were like "yep, fit to race". And now look at him.
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Apparently Alonso is not old anymore. Now everyone is shitting their pants of what he can do if he really have a good car this year

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cplchanb wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:25
AR3-GP wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:08
101FlyingDutchman wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:02


Makes the whole medical side of things a joke. Surely he shouldn’t be allowed to drive unless proven to be fully fit. He’s endangering himself and others. Drugovich should be in that seat this GP
Well Stroll has already wasted precious running time for Felipe.
the medical standard based on if the driver can self extract. it doesnt restrict based on speed unless it is causing him to drive dangerously which he is not. he is just slow and not taking the optimal line. stop doomsdaying based on a friday practice.
You joking?

This is happening after a few laps: Stroll told to compromise Turn 1 a bit to get a better line through Turn 2 but replies: "I can't man, I can't. With the hands."

It may not be based on “speed” but fairly sure that having to take different racing lines is what is required when fighting wheel to wheel. The fact he can’t do that should be ringing alarm bells. There is no doomsdaying just objectively trying to interpret his own words/actions.

And then seeing him being helped out of the cockpit should make you rethink what you’ve written perhaps….

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kenshi_blind wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:27
Cs98 wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:21
kenshi_blind wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:18
Then be more accurate in your description of the events. AMR has a really strong long run pace but again Merc baseline on their first long run was way worse that the 1.36 Hamilton did so who knows the true picture. For now I'd say advantage AMR though
One lap on fresh tyres is irrelevant. Look at the first stint.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqTsP3gWIAA ... name=large
How old were Lewis soft when he started the long run ?do tou you perhaps have that info?
Both sets used were scrubbed softs. So likely one quali run on each set.

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LM10 wrote:
JPower wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:21
Mercedes :wink: ' deg looks worse than Ferrari's by that graphic. :shock:
Is Ferrari expected to have an especially bad tyre deg? Did I miss something?
They don’t, they were fine in Test Session 3. Just countering the prevailing narrative.
;)
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organic wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:29
AR3-GP wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:28
cplchanb wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:25

the medical standard based on if the driver can self extract. it doesnt restrict based on speed unless it is causing him to drive dangerously which he is not. he is just slow and not taking the optimal line. stop doomsdaying based on a friday practice.
Does this man look like he can self-extract?

Isn't there a 7s extraction test they have to pass? Surely he is not passing it in that state.

They probably had Stroll yesterday morning completely fresh without any laps under his belt do the extraction test, and were like "yep, fit to race". And now look at him.
AM has been handling this poorly. The fact that they sent him to probably do a 30 minute Sim session to "see if he's fit", knowing that the real thing would require far more endurance over many more days.

It will be papered over because Alonso is doing such a good job.
A lion must kill its prey.

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Cs98 wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:31
kenshi_blind wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:27
Cs98 wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:21

One lap on fresh tyres is irrelevant. Look at the first stint.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqTsP3gWIAA ... name=large
How old were Lewis soft when he started the long run ?do tou you perhaps have that info?
Both sets used were scrubbed softs. So likely one quali run on each set.
Alright thanks 👍🏾

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AR3-GP wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:31
organic wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:29
AR3-GP wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:28


Does this man look like he can self-extract?

Isn't there a 7s extraction test they have to pass? Surely he is not passing it in that state.

They probably had Stroll yesterday morning completely fresh without any laps under his belt do the extraction test, and were like "yep, fit to race". And now look at him.
AM has been handling this poorly. The fact that they sent him to probably do a 30 minute Sim session to "see if he's fit", knowing that the real thing would require far more endurance over many more days.

It will be papered over because Alonso is doing such a good job.
But still he was 6th, which is impresive. Now is it stupid or not smart, time will tell but if the doctors, the expert as the Fia doctors, have clearing him and he is running on his own risk, it is within the racing spirit. Like Lauda or others who have run under not ideal physical circumstances

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Redragon wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:30
Apparently Alonso is not old anymore. Now everyone is shitting their pants of what he can do if he really have a good car this year
Looks like he brought along his 6ths.
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Redragon wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:30
Apparently Alonso is not old anymore. Now everyone is shitting their pants of what he can do if he really have a good car this year
Alonso is just amazing. The other teams can be happy that he is not 35/36. This guy would win championships with the right car even at 41/42. It’s not his physical state that very impressive - it’s his mindset. This guy is hungry. His age is not a disadvantage. His experience is probably the biggest advantage that he has.

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JPower wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:21
Mercedes' deg looks worse than Ferrari's by that graphic. :shock:
I was watching the stints. Specifically Lewis, Carlos, Leclerc, Max, Alonso & Perez.
On the average, Max was better than Alonso's. Both of them were better than Perez's. All 3 were superior to Merc & Ferrari. Merc was superior to Ferrari. What might happen to make the Ferrari stints look better than Merc was they ( Ferrari) interrupted their stints, whereas Lewis ran his in a single stretch. He came for a single lap at the end and did 1:36xxx

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It's interesting how far down RB are in intermediate traps.

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F1Krof wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 17:36
willmesquita wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 15:34
F1Krof wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 15:20
So Aston Martin is a real deal this season. Noicee, finally get to see Verstappen vs Alonso.
Not gonna happen, I see more Alonso causing problems to any split strategy situation for Ferrari or Mercedes (and Perez)
Hmmm, are you sure about that? :lol:
LOL, but I think still yes kkkk
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Femi wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:43
JPower wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:21
Mercedes' deg looks worse than Ferrari's by that graphic. :shock:
I was watching the stints. Specifically Lewis, Carlos, Leclerc, Max, Alonso & Perez.
On the average, Max was better than Alonso's. Both of them were better than Perez's. All 3 were superior to Merc & Ferrari. Merc was superior to Ferrari. What might happen to make the Ferrari stints look better than Merc was they ( Ferrari) interrupted their stints, whereas Lewis ran his in a single stretch. He came for a single lap at the end and did 1:36xxx
Last lap for Lewis was on scrubs. Still, Russell’s stint also shows the same pattern.

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alonso fp2 lap
https://streamable.com/snsylz



perez fp2 lap
https://streamable.com/d9mxq3


red bull understeery and perez seems very uncertain at the wheel on some corners. alonso's lap was within limits, perez wasnt in T4.

If they sort out max's car I expect him to blow perez away. We can see here perez doesnt really trust the car.