2023 Bahrain Grand Prix - Sakhir, March 03 - 05

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Re: 2023 Bahrain Grand Prix - Sakhir, March 03 - 05

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AR3-GP wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:47
It's interesting how far down RB are in intermediate traps.

https://i.imgur.com/1p3Cbls.png
Well it suggests they either have terrible exit or low engine

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organic wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:54
AR3-GP wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:47
It's interesting how far down RB are in intermediate traps.

https://i.imgur.com/1p3Cbls.png
Well it suggests they either have terrible exit or low engine
Toto said in pre-season that their traction was breaktaking. Martin Brundle said today in FP1 that the traction of the RB was unmatched. So I doubt it's terrible exit speeds. The probably aren't working the PU that hard. They are down on Mercedes, who is running bigger wings than them :?
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Yeah, Mercedes is pretty much nowhere, like last year. LH is very unsatisfied and I think he should be. The gap to RBR is pretty much the same, but last year there was the idea that fixing porpoising would unleash the real potential. Now, they are just plainly (and painfully) slow with no big hindrance.

Ferrari seemed quite good on the other hand. I still think MV is the favourite for the race win, but Ferrari is closer than it appears.

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Redragon wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:36
AR3-GP wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:31
organic wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:29


Isn't there a 7s extraction test they have to pass? Surely he is not passing it in that state.

They probably had Stroll yesterday morning completely fresh without any laps under his belt do the extraction test, and were like "yep, fit to race". And now look at him.
AM has been handling this poorly. The fact that they sent him to probably do a 30 minute Sim session to "see if he's fit", knowing that the real thing would require far more endurance over many more days.

It will be papered over because Alonso is doing such a good job.
But still he was 6th, which is impresive. Now is it stupid or not smart, time will tell but if the doctors, the expert as the Fia doctors, have clearing him and he is running on his own risk, it is within the racing spirit. Like Lauda or others who have run under not ideal physical circumstances
A short view in the past when a certain austrian driver was driving the italian gp in 10x more pain and due to a half charred face and body from 6wks prior. people called him a hero back then. not to mention just last year his own teammate drove with a busted face and no comment. fast forward to today, lance complains of some discomfort and not driving the optimal line, armchair commentators are already calling him a danger to everyone else. seriously people are just way too sensitive on a trivial issue. the fia cleared him on the extraction test, and he hasnt been driving dangerously so theres no reason to call this a safety issue.

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Bill_Kar wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:56
Yeah, Mercedes is pretty much nowhere, like last year. LH is very unsatisfied and I think he should be. The gap to RBR is pretty much the same, but last year there was the idea that fixing porpoising would unleash the real potential. Now, they are just plainly (and painfully) slow with no big hindrance.
Hamilton has said the team is nowhere. Season over for them.

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He can't climb out of the car alone nor drive with 2 hands for the entire circuit. Why are you acting like it's complaint of discomfort

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cplchanb wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 19:00
Redragon wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:36
AR3-GP wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:31


AM has been handling this poorly. The fact that they sent him to probably do a 30 minute Sim session to "see if he's fit", knowing that the real thing would require far more endurance over many more days.

It will be papered over because Alonso is doing such a good job.
But still he was 6th, which is impresive. Now is it stupid or not smart, time will tell but if the doctors, the expert as the Fia doctors, have clearing him and he is running on his own risk, it is within the racing spirit. Like Lauda or others who have run under not ideal physical circumstances
A short view in the past when a certain austrian driver was driving the italian gp in 10x more pain and due to a half charred face and body from 6wks prior. people called him a hero back then. not to mention just last year his own teammate drove with a busted face and no comment. fast forward to today, lance complains of some discomfort and not driving the optimal line, armchair commentators are already calling him a danger to everyone else. seriously people are just way too sensitive on a trivial issue. the fia cleared him on the extraction test, and he hasnt been driving dangerously so theres no reason to call this a safety issue.
These newbies need to be triggered about something :wink:

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DGP123 wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 19:01
Bill_Kar wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:56
Yeah, Mercedes is pretty much nowhere, like last year. LH is very unsatisfied and I think he should be. The gap to RBR is pretty much the same, but last year there was the idea that fixing porpoising would unleash the real potential. Now, they are just plainly (and painfully) slow with no big hindrance.
Hamilton has said the team is nowhere. Season over for them.
Pack it up boys.. Season is over 🤣

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DGP123 wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 19:01
Bill_Kar wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:56
Yeah, Mercedes is pretty much nowhere, like last year. LH is very unsatisfied and I think he should be. The gap to RBR is pretty much the same, but last year there was the idea that fixing porpoising would unleash the real potential. Now, they are just plainly (and painfully) slow with no big hindrance.
Hamilton has said the team is nowhere. Season over for them.
Obviously, I am aware of LH's famous mind games or whatever. But it is quite obvious to see the real deal, just like last year. Mercedes is dog again. And with AM presumably being a top-4 team, situation is even worse.

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organic wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 19:01
He can't climb out of the car alone nor drive with 2 hands for the entire circuit. Why are you acting like it's complaint of discomfort
it was the same for devries last year and kubica drove essentially with 1 hand.... double standard much?

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8) As i predicted (from isola's statements :D ) the c2 is ---

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Mercedes seems to be either running higher engine mode (average 296 kph), compared to Red Bull and Aston Martin (both around average 292 kph) on the long runs or their new rear wing is low downforce and allowing higher top speeds, compromising lap times.

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cplchanb wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 19:05
organic wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 19:01
He can't climb out of the car alone nor drive with 2 hands for the entire circuit. Why are you acting like it's complaint of discomfort
it was the same for devries last year and kubica drove essentially with 1 hand.... double standard much?
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:D

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cplchanb wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 19:00
Redragon wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:36
AR3-GP wrote:
03 Mar 2023, 18:31


AM has been handling this poorly. The fact that they sent him to probably do a 30 minute Sim session to "see if he's fit", knowing that the real thing would require far more endurance over many more days.

It will be papered over because Alonso is doing such a good job.
But still he was 6th, which is impresive. Now is it stupid or not smart, time will tell but if the doctors, the expert as the Fia doctors, have clearing him and he is running on his own risk, it is within the racing spirit. Like Lauda or others who have run under not ideal physical circumstances
A short view in the past when a certain austrian driver was driving the italian gp in 10x more pain and due to a half charred face and body from 6wks prior. people called him a hero back then. not to mention just last year his own teammate drove with a busted face and no comment. fast forward to today, lance complains of some discomfort and not driving the optimal line, armchair commentators are already calling him a danger to everyone else. seriously people are just way too sensitive on a trivial issue. the fia cleared him on the extraction test, and he hasnt been driving dangerously so theres no reason to call this a safety issue.
im not disagreeing with you really, but there was the instance where he came out onto the track and piastri almost rear ended him at 200 mph because he was just sitting in the middle of racing line going 50kmh haha. nothing new there though
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