2023 Bahrain Grand Prix - Sakhir, March 03 - 05

[dialtone]

Fresh tire is better all the time unless you run the special brand of Michelin tires from 2005-2006 designed to specifically increase the size of the contact patch after the first few laps, totally against the rules but Ferrari was too strong.

That was on 2003, on 2005-2006 they just had a better compound than Bridgestone, specially on 2005 when the difference was huge.

BTW, it´s not a given that fresh tyres will always perform better than slightly used ones because there is further vulcanization after a heat cycle and tyres can become more durable after it. If that´s that case of these 2023 Pirellis, idk

Ferrari will potentially have better grip off the line and better first lap grip, don't see many advantages beyond that, it won't have significant "life" advantages, as you say it can even be worst than a tire that was heated and drove a small distance once.
Questionable wether that is better than getting pole or even keeping the front row grid slot.

How do you folks know this better than Ferrari does? The entire team made the call based on their data that said that it's a 5s improvement on the stint performance. You are saying their data is wrong?

[Sevach]

That was on 2003, on 2005-2006 they just had a better compound than Bridgestone, specially on 2005 when the difference was huge.

BTW, it´s not a given that fresh tyres will always perform better than slightly used ones because there is further vulcanization after a heat cycle and tyres can become more durable after it. If that´s that case of these 2023 Pirellis, idk

Ferrari will potentially have better grip off the line and better first lap grip, don't see many advantages beyond that, it won't have significant "life" advantages, as you say it can even be worst than a tire that was heated and drove a small distance once.
Questionable wether that is better than getting pole or even keeping the front row grid slot.

How do you folks know this better than Ferrari does? The entire team made the call based on their data that said that it's a 5s improvement on the stint performance. You are saying their data is wrong?

Wouldn't be surprising...

[dialtone]

How do you folks know this better than Ferrari does? The entire team made the call based on their data that said that it's a 5s improvement on the stint performance. You are saying their data is wrong?

Wouldn't be surprising...

What a funny and unpredictable joke, totally resolves the question in your favor.

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Could a 3 stopper be faster ?
Like : S-M-M-S (used) for Leclerc

no team kept more than 1xM for the race, so it was no option for them, at least. The medium doesn't bring enough of a pace advantage on this track

[mendis]

How do you folks know this better than Ferrari does? The entire team made the call based on their data that said that it's a 5s improvement on the stint performance. You are saying their data is wrong?

Wouldn't be surprising...

What a funny and unpredictable joke, totally resolves the question in your favor.

We have seen so often teams get their data wrong. Why is it surprising? Didn't Ferrari get it grossly wrong in Hungary last year? Having been watching the Pirelli show for 13 years now, we have enough experience of knowing how they behave. May be their calculation is about a theoretical stint where after pitting and coming out, you take care of the tyres and then over 25 to 39 laps, the difference over used tyres is 5 seconds. It's a different ball game at the start of a race.

[dialtone]

Yeah, these types of discussions is why I'm definitely not going to be participating in these race threads much. zero interest in this discussion. cya

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Verstappen started final lap with 6 seconds to spare, then aborted just after crossing start finish line, doesn't say anything on the radio, nor does he gets told a thing, not even where cars are around him. strange

Found out now that there was technical issue in qualifying meaning the team radio was not being broadcast yesterday with the onboards

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I think for the race RB have 1 set of hards, 1 set of mediums, 1 set of scrubbed softs and then used softs

What is their planned strategy?

I could see them trying soft-medium-soft if they are very confident with their degradation... Or maybe they just plan a more boring soft-hard-soft with the medium acting as a backup for any safety car pitstops

There must be a good reason that they kept a medium tyre in the pocket

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There must be a good reason that they kept a medium tyre in the pocket

apart from the regulations, you mean? It's one of the sets mandatory to keep for the race , so I wouldn't really read too much into it.

[stasera]

keeping in the pocket soft tyes is genius action i think

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Who doesn't have a set of fresh softs in the top 10?

Max/Perez have a set of scrubbed (only an outlap done)

I think other than that it is Sainz who doesn't

[F1ern]

Who doesn't have a set of fresh softs in the top 10?

Max/Perez have a set of scrubbed (only an outlap done)

I think other than that it is Sainz who doesn't

I think only Leclerc has a set of new softs from the top 10, noone else.

[Sevach]

How do you folks know this better than Ferrari does? The entire team made the call based on their data that said that it's a 5s improvement on the stint performance. You are saying their data is wrong?

Wouldn't be surprising...

What a funny and unpredictable joke, totally resolves the question in your favor.

I could've also said they interpreted their data wrongly quite a few times recently and add that this is a forum and if we aren't allowed to question a teams decision because "they have the data" what would be the point of pre-race discussion?

But that would indeed be less funny.

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Reason for albons Q2 struggles - FW damage. He said in media pen that looking at the times required to get to q3, the car could've done it

Provisional grid

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Who doesn't have a set of fresh softs in the top 10?

Max/Perez have a set of scrubbed (only an outlap done)

I think other than that it is Sainz who doesn't

I think only Leclerc has a set of new softs from the top 10, noone else.

yep, I posted the list on the other page. Not official yet, but only Leclerc should have new softs