2023 Mercedes-AMG | Petronas F1 Team

[Sofa King]

James Allison is apparently being called back to a more active role

[DGP123]

James Allison is apparently being called back to a more active role

Anyone got Aldo Costa’s number aswell?

[AR3-GP]

James Allison is apparently being called back to a more active role

I guess Elliot's going to be taking a back seat.

[Matt2725]

James Allison is apparently being called back to a more active role

I was suprised that didn't happen last season.

[organic]

James Allison is apparently being called back to a more active role

What is the source of that?

[Sofa King]

Motorsport IT. I apologize ahead of time if they aren’t considered reputable https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-me ... /10440611/

[organic]

It's Nugnes so I wouldn't trust it until reported by someone more reputable

[mkay]

It makes no sense for Merc to dedicate any more time and resources towards the current W14 concept. They should explore the radical re-design of the W14 (to the extent possible depending on homologated parts) and use 2023 as a testing session.

[taperoo2k]

It's Nugnes so I wouldn't trust it until reported by someone more reputable

Calling James Allison back in seems like the obvious thing Wolff should do, get
a fresh set of eyes on the problems and offer possible solutions. Doesn't mean he will
though.

[214270]

Allison’s return was reported last season, Kravitz mentioned it

[Cs98]

it seems that the Merc engineers were fooled into sticking with their concept by the resurgence at the end of last season. considering that red bull stopped all development after having both championships sewn up early and ferrari having to turn down their engine due to reliability concerns surely this makes the merc engineers look even worse

Whats easy to forget is that all concepts are significantly faster than RB last year, so the reference has moved and that has not become apparent until now. Also gaps in qualy were relatively small. It seems like RB seems to have a much better understanding of how to work the tires.

Accounting for weight that is definitely not true. The RB18 at the weight limit would’ve smoked the W14 the way it performed here. Even the base spec from early 2022, which was 15+ kg overweight.

[F1Krof]

Do people not realize that Daimler AG (Mercedes parent company) have a large holding in Aston Martin Lagonda PLC. Tobias Moers, the ex head of AMG Mercedes is now CEO of Aston!

Merc have had their run in F1 and all the publicity that goes with it, the "brand" the bigwigs are pushing now is Aston Martin as can be seen by the safety car changes and factory/people investment.

If you think it`s all Lawrence Stroll behind this, think again, the full weight of the parent company is behind Aston and not the team that carries its name but is two thirds owned by Ineos and Wolff.

They`re now pretty much just another team making up the numbers, in my opinion Aston Martin will take their place in the top three and when the next concorde agreement comes round, just before the new engine regs (2026) I wouldn`t be surprised if the team gets sold or Daimler pull out completely.

The top engineers/people aren`t there anymore and haven`t been for a few years, Think Cowell(engine), Costa(design+engineering), Vowles(Srategy), Braun(Technical),Lowe (good with suspension), Lauda(all round good egg). James Allison steping back a bit and being replaced with Elliot can`t have helped either, I really don`t get a good F1 vibe off the bloke, he seems nice enough though, maybe that`s half the problem!

You got a good point. This is what I've been saying since last year basically. You're as good as the weakest member of the team. Merc is being run by interns and rushed seniors. I explained back in few posts. I've been working in different corporations and I saw this happening in each of the corporations I worked. It's almost impossible to hold tight the talent. You gotta to always bring and be in hunting mode of fresher talent, otherwise they'll hunt your most valuable experienced personnel and you'll be running the departments with interns and inexperienced personnel being in charge of very complicated situations with a huge degree of pressure. And it's almost like a downward spiral, the more you try the more the staff will run away.

[F1Krof]

James Allison is apparently being called back to a more active role

Anyone got Aldo Costa’s number aswell?

Aldo's working for Dallara.

[Edax]

Do people not realize that Daimler AG (Mercedes parent company) have a large holding in Aston Martin Lagonda PLC. Tobias Moers, the ex head of AMG Mercedes is now CEO of Aston!

Merc have had their run in F1 and all the publicity that goes with it, the "brand" the bigwigs are pushing now is Aston Martin as can be seen by the safety car changes and factory/people investment.

If you think it`s all Lawrence Stroll behind this, think again, the full weight of the parent company is behind Aston and not the team that carries its name but is two thirds owned by Ineos and Wolff.

They`re now pretty much just another team making up the numbers, in my opinion Aston Martin will take their place in the top three and when the next concorde agreement comes round, just before the new engine regs (2026) I wouldn`t be surprised if the team gets sold or Daimler pull out completely.

The top engineers/people aren`t there anymore and haven`t been for a few years, Think Cowell(engine), Costa(design+engineering), Vowles(Srategy), Braun(Technical),Lowe (good with suspension), Lauda(all round good egg). James Allison steping back a bit and being replaced with Elliot can`t have helped either, I really don`t get a good F1 vibe off the bloke, he seems nice enough though, maybe that`s half the problem!

You got a good point. This is what I've been saying since last year basically. You're as good as the weakest member of the team. Merc is being run by interns and rushed seniors. I explained back in few posts. I've been working in different corporations and I saw this happening in each of the corporations I worked. It's almost impossible to hold tight the talent. You gotta to always bring and be in hunting mode of fresher talent, otherwise they'll hunt your most valuable experienced personnel and you'll be running the departments with interns and inexperienced personnel being in charge of very complicated situations with a huge degree of pressure. And it's almost like a downward spiral, the more you try the more the staff will run away.

Sounds familiar indeed. Especially if you’re forced to shrink. The good ones always have a couple of opportunities lined up.

[napoleon1981]

it seems that the Merc engineers were fooled into sticking with their concept by the resurgence at the end of last season. considering that red bull stopped all development after having both championships sewn up early and ferrari having to turn down their engine due to reliability concerns surely this makes the merc engineers look even worse

Whats easy to forget is that all concepts are significantly faster than RB last year, so the reference has moved and that has not become apparent until now. Also gaps in qualy were relatively small. It seems like RB seems to have a much better understanding of how to work the tires.

Accounting for weight that is definitely not true. The RB18 at the weight limit would’ve smoked the W14 the way it performed here. Even the base spec from early 2022, which was 15+ kg overweight.

According to the timing boards it is true. Sure you can slice and dice it and give additional reasons, but im just looking at the stopwatch. I agree the time difference is coming from something.