2023 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix - Jeddah, March 17 - 19

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zibby43 wrote:
12 Mar 2023, 23:06
Juzh wrote:
12 Mar 2023, 21:37
zibby43 wrote:
12 Mar 2023, 20:44
Prediction:

RB: 1-2
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spicy
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Get used to it.
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Surely you mean just as everyone was used to a 1-2 for Lewis and Rosberg and a 1-2 for Lewis and Bottas,
year after year after year after year after ......?!
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Wouter wrote:
12 Mar 2023, 23:13
zibby43 wrote:
12 Mar 2023, 23:06
Juzh wrote:
12 Mar 2023, 21:37

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spicy
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Get used to it.
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Surely you mean just as everyone was used to a 1-2 for Lewis and Rosberg and a 1-2 for Lewis and Bottas,
year after year after year after year after ......?!
I think we had a decent mix of HAM VET and VET HAM in ‘17 and ‘18. Vettel led the championship after Hungary in ‘17 and after the British GP in ‘18. The 2014 title was between 2 drivers at least, and went down to the last race. ‘15 was decided at COTA (shorter calendar). And ROS won ‘16.

RB will clean sweep this set of regs, which they deserve. And I think that will also rightly make them the greatest F1 team of all time for clean sweeping 2 sets of regs.

Aside from that discrepancy that doesn’t fit your narrative, the other difference is, I’m not going whine incessantly about it just because RBR have done a better job than everyone else.

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I predict Max, Alonso, Leclerc podium.

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Hoping that Ferrari claw back some performance here to make it interesting, but realistically at this stage you'd put Red Bull down for 1,2 for the next several races...

The fight for 3rd though looks somewhat more entertaining... arguably between 5 drivers (or given a couple of reliability issues, Stroll can join that fight).

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Honestly I think the gap here will be similar or even bigger than Bahrain. The track is excellent though so I'm looking forwards to the race.
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SiLo wrote:
13 Mar 2023, 10:46
Honestly I think the gap here will be similar or even bigger than Bahrain. The track is excellent though so I'm looking forwards to the race.
What’s the reasoning behind your prediction of the gap being similar or even bigger?
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LM10 wrote:
13 Mar 2023, 10:49
SiLo wrote:
13 Mar 2023, 10:46
Honestly I think the gap here will be similar or even bigger than Bahrain. The track is excellent though so I'm looking forwards to the race. Just a shame on where it is.
What’s the reasoning behind your prediction of the gap being similar or even bigger?
Just a feeling really. RB were very fast in S2 in Bahrain, and I think Jeddah is also very much a confidence track. The RB19 looks lovely to drive so Max and Checo will find more pace just having an easier car to run with.
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Fully expect to see Ferrari on pole, or at least see them fighting for pole, not running away from that fight as in Bahrain. Overtaking won't be easy at all.

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avantman wrote:
13 Mar 2023, 12:52
Fully expect to see Ferrari on pole, or at least see them fighting for pole, not running away from that fight as in Bahrain. Overtaking won't be easy at all.
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We first have to wait if the CE (1e) and ES (1e) of Leclerc is still usable . If not he will face penalties.
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SiLo wrote:
13 Mar 2023, 10:46
Honestly I think the gap here will be similar or even bigger than Bahrain. The track is excellent though so I'm looking forwards to the race.
I think Ferrari will be closer here, and probably better than Aston.
Rear degradation much less of a factor, the SF23 has good straight line speed and high speed corner performance.

But not enough to truly trouble Red Bull, their car seems to have no cracks in their armor.
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SiLo wrote:
13 Mar 2023, 10:46
Honestly I think the gap here will be similar or even bigger than Bahrain. The track is excellent though so I'm looking forwards to the race.
You know it's funny. When the announcement was made about the Saudi GP in 2020, people were quick to thrash it. When it's simulated videos came out, a lot of folks here were of the usual opinion about a new track outside of europe, which is, the track is going to be a death ring. Walls are close and drivers' carcass would be hanging on there (a bit exaggeration) and what not. But as it happened with Baku, Jeddah has become another exiciting race track, which drivers absolutely love for the speed and challenges it poses.
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Sevach wrote:
13 Mar 2023, 14:14
SiLo wrote:
13 Mar 2023, 10:46
I think Ferrari will be closer here, and probably better than Aston.
Rear degradation much less of a factor, the SF23 has good straight line speed and high speed corner performance.

But not enough to truly trouble Red Bull, their car seems to have no cracks in their armor.
Why not enough? The two cars were literally equally fast over a single lap in Bahrain. Ferrari clearly have slight engine power advantage again this year, which will be even bigger factor in Jeddah likely. Drag isn't an issue for them anymore. Can't see any reason they won't compete at least, especially with Aston Martin potentially somewhere in the mix as well. All these people who expect to see the same race as in Bahrain are hopeless pessimists. :lol:
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avantman wrote:
13 Mar 2023, 14:21
Sevach wrote:
13 Mar 2023, 14:14
SiLo wrote:
13 Mar 2023, 10:46
Why not enough? The two cars were literally equally fast over a single lap in Bahrain. Ferrari clearly have slight engine power advantage again this year, which will be even bigger factor in Jeddah likely. Drag isn't an issue for them anymore. Can't see any reason they won't compete at least, especially with Aston Martin potentially somewhere in the mix as well. All these people who expect to see the same race as in Bahrain are hopeless pessimists. :lol:
Well right up until about lap 2 on Sunday we thought Ferrari would compete as well given how close they were in qualifying.
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mendis wrote:
13 Mar 2023, 14:16
SiLo wrote:
13 Mar 2023, 10:46
You know it's funny. When the announcement was made about the Saudi GP in 2020, people were quick to thrash it. When it's simulated videos came out, a lot of folks here were of the usual opinion about a new track outside of europe, which is, the track is going to be a death ring. Walls are close and drivers' carcass would be hanging on there (a bit exaggeration) and what not. But as it happened with Baku, Jeddah has become another exiciting race track, which drivers absolutely love for the speed and challenges it poses.
With the old cars, following/overtaking was tricky at Jeddah, and the close concrete walls with blind corners have already caused some large, scary accidents

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You're saying "well, no deaths so far - must be entirely safe". To me that doesn't seem entirely logical

They've made changes to some of the blind corners to increase visibility as it was a massive safety concern.
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meh, crash in above picture was down to incompetent driving. Track was fine, first one in ages that offered some thrills watching cars negotiating those barriers. Apparently they straightened out some kinks, which will make it more boring and lose some character. Imagine changing tracks because maldonano crashed in every corner on every track, it's what they've done now with schumacher. Dude couldn't turn a wheel without crashing into something.