2023 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix - Jeddah, March 17 - 19

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AR3-GP wrote:
17 Mar 2023, 20:55
Fwiw, there is still quite a bit of sandbagging going on. Opening stint of the race last year was mid 34s from Perez. The cars are faster this year than last year...Especially the RB...
track is slower this year, should be noted

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My punt, I reckon the Red Bulls will be the team to beat this week.

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Juzh wrote:
17 Mar 2023, 21:00
AR3-GP wrote:
17 Mar 2023, 20:55
Fwiw, there is still quite a bit of sandbagging going on. Opening stint of the race last year was mid 34s from Perez. The cars are faster this year than last year...Especially the RB...
track is slower this year, should be noted
Thanks for that reminder.
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Juzh wrote:
17 Mar 2023, 21:00
AR3-GP wrote:
17 Mar 2023, 20:55
Fwiw, there is still quite a bit of sandbagging going on. Opening stint of the race last year was mid 34s from Perez. The cars are faster this year than last year...Especially the RB...
track is slower this year, should be noted
Track still rubbering in. Guess the changes to the corners has made some difference but the cars are flying.

In terms of race pace almost every team bar the Haas were doing 35 easy with minimal deg which is interesting.

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AR3-GP wrote:
17 Mar 2023, 19:13
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17 Mar 2023, 19:11
RB running very low in fp2
I'm confused by what they are expecting to achieve. On a full fuel load, the car would have to sit slightly lower still. I'm not sure that's even possible currently...
You should rewatch VER qualy laps in Bahrein in order to see that! Their car`s ride height was so low that it was the sparkiest car of all with AMR23 being the second one. What is interesting to see is that the car starts to scratch/was sparking in the acceleration phase out of the corner and further down the straight but it wasn`t at the braking area before the corner entry ... so they set up the rear suspension in conjunction with their ride height to give them the best traction, knowing this is a rear limited and a start-stop kind of track ...

But what`s puzzling me is that like you I don`t figure out how the hell they suddenly weren`t sparky in the race once they were running with a car fully fueled.

So what Toto said about their low-car setup wasn't BS after all. And RUS`s Thursday statement regarding the W14`s DF loss is just confirming this.

But one question still remains unanswered: how are they able to run so low the car in qualy with only a few kilos of fuel and then nothing is broken in the race running with a heavy car?
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atanatizante wrote:
17 Mar 2023, 22:14
But what`s puzzling me is that like you I don`t figure out how the hell they suddenly weren`t sparky in the race once they were running with a car fully fueled.
Maybe it was because we never saw them after lap 1?
Watch the race again, they were sparking a lot right from the start, I'd say a lot more than any other car.

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1. Low deg on this track
2. Easy S-M one-stop race
3. VER easy win: he did 14 laps on a used set of soft tyres lapping at the start of the stint on low 1.35 then on mid 1.35 at the end of the stint. For sure his lap times were always done at a delta time. He got lots of speed in his pocket, running in a lower PU mode or just had a heavier car.
4. ALO was very impressive in his 14-lap sim race on old medium tyres. Like VER he was just running constantly at a low 1.35 than mid 1.35, maybe having a higher PU mode or a slightly lighter car. He also was very slow in the top speed trap and was the best driver in the first sector.
5. PER was the black horse for setting some interesting lap times and clearly was pushing hard at the end of the stint.
6. Alpine drivers had very good lap times on both tyres, maybe they were running with less fuel and higher PU modes.
7. Ferrari drivers are very hard to read. Seems that they were doing lots of testing further.
8. Merc drivers the same as above.
LEC and VER had virtually same pace on race sims both on equally used tires, LEC on M and VER on S.


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dialtone wrote:
17 Mar 2023, 22:23

LEC and VER had virtually same pace on race sims both on equally used tires, LEC on M and VER on S.


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Why do you think the other cars (Alpine even) look closer this weekend?
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dialtone wrote:
17 Mar 2023, 22:23

LEC and VER had virtually same pace on race sims both on equally used tires, LEC on M and VER on S.


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Why do you think the other cars (Alpine even) look closer this weekend?
It's an interesting question. Probably the answer is that nobody has much degradation and the primary factor is efficiency and they're all close in relation to that, especially when all the engines are within a few bhp.

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dialtone wrote:
17 Mar 2023, 22:36
AR3-GP wrote:
dialtone wrote:
17 Mar 2023, 22:23

LEC and VER had virtually same pace on race sims both on equally used tires, LEC on M and VER on S.


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Why do you think the other cars (Alpine even) look closer this weekend?
It's an interesting question. Probably the answer is that nobody has much degradation and the primary factor is efficiency and they're all close in relation to that, especially when all the engines are within a few bhp.
Interesting. I wonder if something like this could be incorporated into F1's circuit planning strategy to reduce field spread. They've been attacking it from the regulations point of view for a very long time, but it's interesting to consider that the circuit design could do some of the work to make gaps smaller.
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atanatizante wrote:
17 Mar 2023, 22:14

But one question still remains unanswered: how are they able to run so low the car in qualy with only a few kilos of fuel and then nothing is broken in the race running with a heavy car?
I have been wondering if the lower speed on full tanks, so lower downforce counteracts they increase in weight.

5 seconds on a 90 second lap is ca. 5% speed difference, so 10 % downforce difference ?

Would be great if somebody can answer this.

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Alpine's pace seems real. Will be very exciting if they're quick here as it bodes well for the season if so

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They were much quicker in Jeddah than Bahrain last year too it's worth remembering
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yinlad wrote:
18 Mar 2023, 00:08
They were much quicker in Jeddah than Bahrain last year too it's worth remembering
Turn 22 is slower this year, if the telemetry is anything to go by. Lower minimum speed.
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Why is it every time Fred enters the track I hear the theme song to Rocky playing in my head. 🤩👍🙂
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