2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[jambuka]

Putting RB aside, how does everyone feel the car performed relative to last race? Is it just a circuit that favors Ferrari or have their changes brought a more stable car for them to set up?

What I am trying to get at is that have Ferrari started to get a handle/understanding of the car that will allow them to set it up better and hopefully develop it further. Perhaps too early to tell.

From the onboards on both Charles and Carlos, car seemed smoother and stable for Carlos but bumpy for Charles. It could mean that Charles has a lower ride height but is fast and Sainz is raised but no bouncing. I still feel Ferrari is the only team who has the bouncing issue.

[Vanja #66]

dialtone, any idea what happened in the back straight? Big speed difference, but only there this time. RPM didn't get over 11770, where Perez got to 11920.



That's not aero, that's the PU in any case...

[Peter Ian Staker]

Putting RB aside, how does everyone feel the car performed relative to last race? Is it just a circuit that favors Ferrari or have their changes brought a more stable car for them to set up?

What I am trying to get at is that have Ferrari started to get a handle/understanding of the car that will allow them to set it up better and hopefully develop it further. Perhaps too early to tell.

I don't really see much of difference compared to race 1. Charles qualy pace and Checo not doing a second run are just flattering the car.

[Vinlarr89]

Looks like Ferrari have detuned again. Only corner they don’t look on par with Perez is 22. Still think Charles could get podium with a good wind tomorrow

[dialtone]

PER v LEC:


Kind of the reverse than in Bahrain:
* LEC actually has pretty decent slow corner performance in both T1 and T27, T27 he was in fact faster than Checo.
* T22 is a struggle, was a struggle, remains a struggle, car doesn't turn.
* Overall performance in the other more open corners is actually fairly good, at minimum it's in line with RBR.
* top speed penalty is 2kph on the start, and 6kph in the backstraight where battery runs out, main straight back to equal
* RBR has less wing but still good performance in corners, better in some.

IMHO Ferrari worked on race pace for once to not be beat by AM.



Easy to see where SAI (green) struggled: T7,8,9 and T10 where he lost the car in Q2. Rest of the lap is equivalent, LEC maybe 0.1 better tops in the rest.

[Vanja #66]

* top speed penalty is 2kph on the start, and 6kph in the backstraight where battery runs out, main straight back to equal

You think that's just battery drained? Look at the Ferrari RPM on back straight...

[chrisc90]

Pointless comparing peak RPM when the gearing isn’t identical.

[dialtone]

Looking at LEC onboard he had ~15% battery right after T27, and maybe 25% after T22, I don't think Ferrari every goes below 10% battery on their display so that was very little battery to go the rest of the way and still have a decent final straight. With the wing it has it's just the most the car can do, basically they improved the car from last year but fundamentally they are in the same place, RBR can be less draggy but still do good in the corners.

[Vanja #66]

Looking at LEC onboard he had ~15% battery right after T27, and maybe 25% after T22, I don't think Ferrari every goes below 10% battery on their display so that was very little battery to go the rest of the way and still have a decent final straight.

So Honda PU is still better basically. Max got to 11980 RPM in FP3, with those revs Ferrari would have had 338 kmh in Q.

[LM10]

Looking at LEC onboard he had ~15% battery right after T27, and maybe 25% after T22, I don't think Ferrari every goes below 10% battery on their display so that was very little battery to go the rest of the way and still have a decent final straight.

So Honda PU is still better basically. Max got to 11980 RPM in FP3, with those revs Ferrari would have had 338 kmh in Q.

Better battery for sure.

[DoctorRadio]

Looking at LEC onboard he had ~15% battery right after T27, and maybe 25% after T22, I don't think Ferrari every goes below 10% battery on their display so that was very little battery to go the rest of the way and still have a decent final straight.

So Honda PU is still better basically. Max got to 11980 RPM in FP3, with those revs Ferrari would have had 338 kmh in Q.

I think it’s because Red Bull has a slightly skinnier rear wing that helps for less drag and more ERS towards the end of the straights, basically the opposite of Bahrain, where Ferrari had more revs at the end of the straights (because of less DF rear wing).
Also, looking at the graph, we are talking of 60 thousands gained by Perez at the end of the final straight?
Certainly negligible and certainly the PU of Ferrari did its job in the acceleration phases (before drag kicks in) where you really see power output and there Ferrari was slightly better (clear in the telemetry).

[AR3-GP]

What is this discussion about RPMS? I don't get it. The cars have different gear ratios and the PUs have different power bands. They are two completely different power trains

This might make sense if one would compare Sainz to Leclerc, but I struggle to see how one could extrapolate beyond that.

[AR3-GP]

Looking at LEC onboard he had ~15% battery right after T27, and maybe 25% after T22, I don't think Ferrari every goes below 10% battery on their display so that was very little battery to go the rest of the way and still have a decent final straight.

So Honda PU is still better basically. Max got to 11980 RPM in FP3, with those revs Ferrari would have had 338 kmh in Q.

Vanja, I know you are WAY more technically astute than this Why do you betray me

The RPMs a car hits at the end of the straight has to do with far more than the PU itself. Drag, gear ratios/the power band of the ICE etc. But again I know that you already know these things .


Marko already said the Ferrari PU has the most power based on their own analysis. Does it need anymore validation than that?

[deadhead]

Looking at LEC onboard he had ~15% battery right after T27, and maybe 25% after T22, I don't think Ferrari every goes below 10% battery on their display so that was very little battery to go the rest of the way and still have a decent final straight.

So Honda PU is still better basically. Max got to 11980 RPM in FP3, with those revs Ferrari would have had 338 kmh in Q.

Vanja, I know you are WAY more technically astute than this Why do you betray me

The RPMs a car hits at the end of the straight has to do with far more than the PU itself. Drag, gear ratios/the power band of the ICE etc. But again I know that you already know these things .


Marko already said the Ferrari PU has the most power based on their own analysis. Does it need anymore validation than that?

So the endospermic engine has more power, but Honda's overall package(PU) seems to still be better? Or am I missing something?

[Vanja #66]

Better battery for sure.

Maybe the CE is the limiting factor, with the recent troubles? Just guessing...

Last year the car was -12kmh on the main straight and -8kmh on the back. This year -2kmh on the main straight and -6kmh on the back... That would mean different harvesting/deployment strategy...



They failed my top speed prediction on deployment strategy change?!?

Marko already said the Ferrari PU has the most power based on their own analysis. Does it need anymore validation than that?

AR3, I know you are way more astute than to take anything Marko says as truth