Ferrari SF23

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Here are some interesting photos:

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Vanja #66
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gordonthegun wrote:
19 Mar 2023, 11:37
Here are some interesting photos:

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Great photos, this one shows the "only" remaining difference between Ferrari and RB pylon design, the DRS pod joint. RB have a curve there, to avoid interference drag.

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Vanja #66 wrote:
19 Mar 2023, 13:55
gordonthegun wrote:
19 Mar 2023, 11:37
Here are some interesting photos:

https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... ail-1.webp
Great photos, this one shows the "only" remaining difference between Ferrari and RB pylon design, the DRS pod joint. RB have a curve there, to avoid interference drag.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqOD9QAWAAQ ... ame=medium
In these shots Ferrari’s rear wing does not look like it produces significantly more downforce or drag than RedBull’s, does it?

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LM10 wrote:
19 Mar 2023, 14:15
Vanja #66 wrote:
19 Mar 2023, 13:55
gordonthegun wrote:
19 Mar 2023, 11:37
Here are some interesting photos:

https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... ail-1.webp
Great photos, this one shows the "only" remaining difference between Ferrari and RB pylon design, the DRS pod joint. RB have a curve there, to avoid interference drag.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqOD9QAWAAQ ... ame=medium
In these shots Ferrari’s rear wing does not look like it produces significantly more downforce or drag than RedBull’s, does it?
These are terrible angles for determining that :lol: .

From these angles, even a Monaco wing would be hard to differentiate from the others.

The frontal view is best because it really shows how much lower the main plane leading edge is compared to the flap leading edge (which is the best indicator of how much load the wing has).
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LM10 wrote:
19 Mar 2023, 14:15
In these shots Ferrari’s rear wing does not look like it produces significantly more downforce or drag than RedBull’s, does it?
RB photo is from Bahrain, good angle :) Same pylon design again in Jeddah of course.
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the new Floor seems to have been tested on Friday but then not used, in fact in the last two photos for comparison it looks like the old one.
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Andi76 wrote:
18 Mar 2023, 06:00
Sevach wrote:
17 Mar 2023, 17:37
https://twitter.com/NicolasF1i/status/1 ... 14336?s=20

The guy who first "noticed" the sidepod change is now saying "my bad", there's nothing here fellas.
Piola says that this change actually exists.




Who is right now??? Unfortunately, I did not have the time for accurate comparisons.... Since he also talks about a narrower bodywork and considering the short time (unless this was an update that would have been planned before the Bahrain GP) he could well have succumbed to the same deception.
Honestly, I did not watch him for some time, cause many times he made very wrong analyses.
He is very long time around F1 but he is not a technician/engineer and he does not understand the things.
He makes excellent pictures and drawings, that is all.

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Vanja #66 wrote:
19 Mar 2023, 15:12
LM10 wrote:
19 Mar 2023, 14:15
In these shots Ferrari’s rear wing does not look like it produces significantly more downforce or drag than RedBull’s, does it?
RB photo is from Bahrain, good angle :) Same pylon design again in Jeddah of course.
Oh ok, this explains it more. :) Even though it’s harder to judge from those angles, like AR3-GP said.

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zioture wrote:
19 Mar 2023, 16:13
the new Floor seems to have been tested on Friday but then not used, in fact in the last two photos for comparison it looks like the old one.
@ScarbsTech

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrlqYJXWYAA ... name=large
There was no new floor at all, a twitter account made a point it looks the same, people saw only pictures and made up a story. :)

LM10 wrote:
19 Mar 2023, 18:35
Oh ok, this explains it more. :) Even though it’s harder to judge from those angles, like AR3-GP said.
Indeed :)
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Read this new floor edge
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FDD wrote:
19 Mar 2023, 18:04
Andi76 wrote:
18 Mar 2023, 06:00
Sevach wrote:
17 Mar 2023, 17:37
https://twitter.com/NicolasF1i/status/1 ... 14336?s=20

The guy who first "noticed" the sidepod change is now saying "my bad", there's nothing here fellas.
Piola says that this change actually exists.




Who is right now??? Unfortunately, I did not have the time for accurate comparisons.... Since he also talks about a narrower bodywork and considering the short time (unless this was an update that would have been planned before the Bahrain GP) he could well have succumbed to the same deception.
Honestly, I did not watch him for some time, cause many times he made very wrong analyses.
He is very long time around F1 but he is not a technician/engineer and he does not understand the things.
He makes excellent pictures and drawings, that is all.
This is a statement about Piola that I can't agree with, even if he is certainly wrong here. And I can tell you that Piola is also highly respected by F1 engineers. Every F1 engineer I've talked to about Piola and his statements about technical details has always said, "When Piola says that, it's usually true, he's extremely accurate." Even though I have found one or two mistakes in his work (which everyone makes), Piola is very accurate and correct, so I can't agree with your statement in general.

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zioture wrote:
19 Mar 2023, 19:09
Read this new floor edge
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrauzylXgAI ... name=large
According to PG they gained data on Friday as normal and shelved it

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organic wrote:
20 Mar 2023, 15:14
zioture wrote:
19 Mar 2023, 19:09
Read this new floor edge
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrauzylXgAI ... name=large
According to PG they gained data on Friday as normal and shelved it
It translates to Ferrari used the new front wing in Saudi Arabia. The new floor was used on Friday to collect data but was not used in the race.

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Yes, in fact, my tweet with the photos of the floor and the 19th he wrote on the 20th. Then they were talking about a new wing , in reality the wing is old, only the endplate changes, I am attaching my old tweets.




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i think Piola is right, the crash structure bulge is a little bigger

also the shell logo looks more curved