What I don't get is why other teams haven't adapted something which on the surface seems like low hanging fruit?Vanja #66 wrote: ↑19 Mar 2023, 18:49RB DRS flaps have been very steep on every wing last year, which continues now obviously. Ferrari wing raced by Sainz in Canada 2022 and also in Bahrain this year had a shallower, but bigger flap. The result is not as much drag with DRS closed, but slightly less speed difference with DRS open. Only those two teams know the exact downforce levels of course
To defend from overtakes with less drag? Maybe...
That's very interesting, especially the flow vis from outside to underneath.Ozan wrote: ↑25 Mar 2023, 14:54we(f1 fans) tried to run away from mass-aero-dependant cars as much as we can, like transitioning from 2008 to 2009 cars, 2018-2019-2020 cars which lacked front wing deflector-stuff, rear floor stuff that were in front of the tires etc. (some terms I don't know exactly) and when overtaking working group came up with the latest car design(f1 basic 2022 car) I thought now we can see nearly-equal cars because the engines are now nearly equal, we have less aero dependant car,more of a ground effect car that can be done by every team but we failed again.like 2010-2013 era where redbull excelled at aero designing-perfecting the car, they did it again in 2022 and 2023. the car seals the side of the rear tires again, they have a very balanced car front to rear, and like they did it back in 2010-2013 years where they had some kind of tunnels in front of the rear tire, they did it again with this year's car.(check the aero-wiz from the screenshot) they don't even need to use second beam wing in Jeddah because they have so much good rear downforce on that car.
W13 and W14 in my opinion lacked these aero features, Merc just tried zero-sidepod concept because they thought that ultra low drag car would benefit them but they are wrong again this year. AMR fixed this by applying RBR like aero to their car and look where they are.
(you can also watch Shub's video about this)
(p.s: excuse my English if I may be misunderstood)
JordanMugen wrote: ↑25 Mar 2023, 20:51That's very interesting, especially the flow vis from outside to underneath.Ozan wrote: ↑25 Mar 2023, 14:54we(f1 fans) tried to run away from mass-aero-dependant cars as much as we can, like transitioning from 2008 to 2009 cars, 2018-2019-2020 cars which lacked front wing deflector-stuff, rear floor stuff that were in front of the tires etc. (some terms I don't know exactly) and when overtaking working group came up with the latest car design(f1 basic 2022 car) I thought now we can see nearly-equal cars because the engines are now nearly equal, we have less aero dependant car,more of a ground effect car that can be done by every team but we failed again.like 2010-2013 era where redbull excelled at aero designing-perfecting the car, they did it again in 2022 and 2023. the car seals the side of the rear tires again, they have a very balanced car front to rear, and like they did it back in 2010-2013 years where they had some kind of tunnels in front of the rear tire, they did it again with this year's car.(check the aero-wiz from the screenshot) they don't even need to use second beam wing in Jeddah because they have so much good rear downforce on that car.
https://i.imgur.com/ikXBpzN.png
W13 and W14 in my opinion lacked these aero features, Merc just tried zero-sidepod concept because they thought that ultra low drag car would benefit them but they are wrong again this year. AMR fixed this by applying RBR like aero to their car and look where they are.
(you can also watch Shub's video about this)
(p.s: excuse my English if I may be misunderstood)
Though I guess that is how that diffuser notch works on every car.
There's flow vis also present in the center. What we see here isn't necessarily blown in through the mouse-hole/slot/notch, it might have been sprayed under there.JordanMugen wrote: ↑25 Mar 2023, 20:51
That's very interesting, especially the flow vis from outside to underneath.
Though I guess that is how that diffuser notch works on every car.
It's very hard to stall a diffuser that's fed so much air already and basically impossible to stall the beam wing. The diffuser doesn't stall mid corner obviously, so no reason for it to stall on straight. Beam wing is fed by air coming on top of diffuser, one or two elements determines the added suction benefit for downforce. The rear wing in Jeddah was very shallow, so it had very little impact on beam wing when closed. Let's not forget, Ferrari in Q wasn't so much slower on any straight (-2kmh) other than back straight (-6kmh) with a decently bigger rear wing and it's very likely their ERS is lacking compared to Honda.Andi76 wrote: ↑25 Mar 2023, 23:58The reason they didn't use a second beamwing is probably because, and here I agree with Gary Anderson, that stalling the diffuser(Anderson: "When the DRS is open, the turning moment on the airflow from this component is reduced and therefore the beam wing stalls as a result. That will, in turn, stall the rear of the underfloor.") becomes even more beneficial.