2023 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Shal_Leg16]

Starting to think Leclerc is the one to blame.

That car is only as good as it looks under Sainz …specially after TD39. This fooking ba$terd deliberately outperforms that car and puts it 2nd/3rd on Saturday instead of 4th/5th and we start dreaming but come sunday everyone wakes up to the reality.

RBR are miles ahead. Mercs,AM both better on race day. Period.

[Sevach]

See that's the thing. My arm chair opinion tells me that the wing Ferrari had in Jeddah is the one they should have had in Bahrain. The wing they ran in Bahrain is the one they should have had in Jeddah.

Look at the RB! Why on earth was Ferrari loading up on downforce on a no-deg circuit, while RB was trimming their car out.

None of it makes sense. How are their simulations telling them to do the opposite of RB.

The Ferrari was a missile in Bahrain. They would have cleared 340 km/h easy with the rear wing from Bahrain.

Ferrari with their single pillar was still easily faster down the straights than Aston(and Mercedes), Ferrari moved towards Aston more loaded setup for this track.
But still Aston was much much better race car.

Time to stop shying away from the truth, the situation is really bad, Carlos did nothing in stint 1, nothing in stint 2, and Leclerc just sat behind him patiently after clearing the field on softs, we didn't see anything about him being told to stay put so i have to say he was equally lackluster with the hards on.

[dxpetrov]

Starting to think Leclerc is the one to blame.

That car is only as good as it looks under Sainz …specially after TD39. This fooking ba$terd deliberately outperforms that car and puts it 2nd/3rd on Saturday instead of 4th/5th and we start dreaming but come sunday everyone wakes up to the reality.

RBR are miles ahead. Mercs,AM both better on race day. Period.

That's what I was saying last summer and got a lot of sh** from this board. Charles drives and produces times more than the car is suppose to do, hence gives a false impression that everything was ok.

[Vanja #66]

There were 4 major errors from the team costing Leclerc a better position

1) taking him too quickly to the pits for new tyre (same for Sainz)
2) putting him on hard instead of medium
3) letting Hamilton ahead of him by not informing him to speed up
4) not letting him ahead of Sainz, who was embarrassingly slow on the medium tyre, let alone hard

The point 1 isn't hindsight, there was absolutely no reason to pit any Ferrari driver that soon. Stroll was significantly slower on Hard than used Medium, it was clear as daylight at the time! Hamilton was significantly slower throughout his stint on Hards, what was the strategy team looking at?!? With later stop he would have been P5 after SC and could have challenged Russell and later Alonso.

Not to mention there was no degradation at all on either and Leclerc was very quick, only slower than Perez which is amazing since he had to make so many overtakes and eat the tyres. If they had to put Hard tyre on Sainz, there was no reason to do it for Leclerc at all - point 2. Again pure amateurism on the strategy side, making the 2nd best car in Q look 4th fastest in the race!

Unfortunately, Vigna and Elkann messed things up completely with their interference. I'm not happy with some of the calls Binotto made, but clearly he had the respect of his team and this transition now is again a waste of 2-3 years before the results of 2022 may come... Thoroughly unacceptable!

[Kyo]

With rumors floating around that Ferrari management was "mislead/lied to" by the engineers on the cars potential really shows just how horrible the structure is and just how Vigna and Elkann should keep out of it. Blame game going full force which will demand heads just to show that there's accountability.

Fred needs full authority. Him getting it is the only hope/good thing that could come out of this year. Not saying he's that good or anything, just saying that he's probably the best possibility we got for now to get something good out of this tech regulation period. If 2024 and 2025 are dead in water, the team needs to at least get a decent structure going in the most important departments and try to save Charles.

[Xyz22]

Guys, there is a bad translation floating around. There was no misleading the management on purpose. The technical side saw excellent numbers on wind tunnel/simulators and simply told the management. Unfortunately, the car isn't performing as expected.

[Kyo]

Guys, there is a bad translation floating around. There was not misleading the management on purpose. The technical side saw excellent numbers on wind tunnel/simulators and simply told the management. Unfortunately, the car isn't performing as expected.

Not quite the problem. The fact that there had to be a story like that run in the press is the problem. Instead of taking the hit like a team and keeping it within the team, the management chose to point fingers. There was no need to boast about it (the cars potential), but now they got burned and chose to blame the engineers (be it by just saying they mislead them, not intentionally).

Of course we don't know where the story originated, but if it did from the teams heads, then i feel for the engineers working there.

[aray]

There were 4 major errors from the team costing Leclerc a better position

1) taking him too quickly to the pits for new tyre (same for Sainz)
2) putting him on hard instead of medium
3) letting Hamilton ahead of him by not informing him to speed up
4) not letting him ahead of Sainz, who was embarrassingly slow on the medium tyre, let alone hard

The point 1 isn't hindsight, there was absolutely no reason to pit any Ferrari driver that soon. Stroll was significantly slower on Hard than used Medium, it was clear as daylight at the time! Hamilton was significantly slower throughout his stint on Hards, what was the strategy team looking at?!? With later stop he would have been P5 after SC and could have challenged Russell and later Alonso.

Not to mention there was no degradation at all on either and Leclerc was very quick, only slower than Perez which is amazing since he had to make so many overtakes and eat the tyres. If they had to put Hard tyre on Sainz, there was no reason to do it for Leclerc at all - point 2. Again pure amateurism on the strategy side, making the 2nd best car in Q look 4th fastest in the race!

Unfortunately, Vigna and Elkann messed things up completely with their interference. I'm not happy with some of the calls Binotto made, but clearly he had the respect of his team and this transition now is again a waste of 2-3 years before the results of 2022 may come... Thoroughly unacceptable!

I am pretty sure Ferrari saw the possibility of overcut and wanted to bring Charles in so that he had one less car(Stroll) to overtake. They assumed if Charles was faster, they would use team order and get past Sainz easily. That way Leclerc could save the tyre to fight Russel and Alonso.
They should have shown the courage to put Lec in Medium though and that late pit call about Lewis was utter incompetence.

[Vanja #66]

See that's the thing. My arm chair opinion tells me that the wing Ferrari had in Jeddah is the one they should have had in Bahrain. The wing they ran in Bahrain is the one they should have had in Jeddah.

Look at the RB! Why on earth was Ferrari loading up on downforce on a no-deg circuit, while RB was trimming their car out.

None of it makes sense. How are their simulations telling them to do the opposite of RB.

The Ferrari was a missile in Bahrain. They would have cleared 340 km/h easy with the rear wing from Bahrain.

Respective fastest laps in the race. It's not the wing, it was the tyres Possibly higher ride height than optimal on Ferrari, they never sparked like they did in Bahrain

[JordanMugen]

That car is only as good as it looks under Sainz …specially after TD39. This fooking ba$terd deliberately outperforms that car and puts it 2nd/3rd on Saturday instead of 4th/5th and we start dreaming but come sunday everyone wakes up to the reality.

Red Bull has Verstappen, Aston Martin has Alonso and Mercedes has both Russell and Hamilton, so any effect of that sort should balance out given at least one similar calibre tier-one drivers in all four top teams.

[LM10]

Guys, there is a bad translation floating around. There was no misleading the management on purpose. The technical side saw excellent numbers on wind tunnel/simulators and simply told the management. Unfortunately, the car isn't performing as expected.

I don’t think that the car isn’t performing as expected. From all sides we’ve heard that the car behaves like in the wind tunnel - yesterday Sainz again told so. I suspect that they just are not yet able to extract the potential. They see on data that the correlation is there, but they seem to have a kind of a diva of a car at the moment. Not so easy to setup and not so easy to understand.

[Xyz22]

Guys, there is a bad translation floating around. There was not misleading the management on purpose. The technical side saw excellent numbers on wind tunnel/simulators and simply told the management. Unfortunately, the car isn't performing as expected.

Not quite the problem. The fact that there had to be a story like that run in the press is the problem. Instead of taking the hit like a team and keeping it within the team, the management chose to point fingers. There was no need to boast about it (the cars potential), but now they got burned and chose to blame the engineers (be it by just saying they mislead them, not intentionally).

Of course we don't know where the story originated, but if it did from the teams heads, then i feel for the engineers working there.

Vigna made a mistake, that is for sure.

Guys, there is a bad translation floating around. There was no misleading the management on purpose. The technical side saw excellent numbers on wind tunnel/simulators and simply told the management. Unfortunately, the car isn't performing as expected.

I don’t think that the car isn’t performing as expected. From all sides we’ve heard that the car behaves like in the wind tunnel - yesterday Sainz again told so. I suspect that they just are not yet able to extract the potential. They see on data that the correlation is there, but they seem to have a kind of a diva of a car at the moment. Not so easy to setup and not so easy to understand.

Never trust what Sainz says during interviews.

Telemetry from a random lap during the race (lap 34 both for 2022 and 2023)



The difference in turn 22 is just insane jesus. This is probably why they didn't use the Bahrain rear wing With that rear wing they would have never made the corner

[LM10]

Never trust what Sainz says during interviews.

Telemetry from a random lap during the race (lap 34 both for 2022 and 2023)

https://abload.de/img/screenshot2023-03-20aw9c7s.png

The difference in turn 22 is just insane jesus. This is probably why they didn't use the Bahrain rear wing With that rear wing they would have never made the corner

The layout of T22 was changed this year. It was slower for everyone, so it can’t be compared with last year.

The SF-23 has a race pace problem. You can look at the telemetry comparing the qualifying laps from Leclerc of last year and this year. The SF-23 was faster than or equally fast as the F1-75 in every corner except T22 (for said reason). It also had better braking performance than the already very good braking F1-75.
You’ll also see that the SF-23 was not slower in any corner except T22 even than the RB19. Yes, the SF-23 actually had a big problem with turning in in T22, but that was the only cornering deficit it had on one lap pace.

[Xyz22]

Never trust what Sainz says during interviews.

Telemetry from a random lap during the race (lap 34 both for 2022 and 2023)

https://abload.de/img/screenshot2023-03-20aw9c7s.png

The difference in turn 22 is just insane jesus. This is probably why they didn't use the Bahrain rear wing With that rear wing they would have never made the corner

The layout of T22 was changed this year. It was slower for everyone, so it can’t be compared with last year.

The SF-23 has a race pace problem. You can look at the telemetry comparing the qualifying laps from Leclerc of last year and this year. The SF-23 was faster than or equally fast as the F1-75 in every corner except T22 (for said reason). It also had better braking performance than the already very good braking F1-75.
You’ll also see that the SF-23 was not slower in any corner except T22 even than the RB19. Yes, the SF-23 actually had a big problem with turning in in T22, but that was the only cornering deficit it had on one lap pace.

I didn't realize they changed turn 22, thanks for letting me know. In that particular corner, even considering the layout change, Ferrari has lost more performance from last year compared to RB.

Also in Saudi there is close to 0 deg and even in this scenario the SF 23 wasn't competitive in race trim. This means the car has serious issues that are probably hidden under minimal fuel + new soft tyres + Leclerc magic combo.

[Shal_Leg16]

That car is only as good as it looks under Sainz …specially after TD39. This fooking ba$terd deliberately outperforms that car and puts it 2nd/3rd on Saturday instead of 4th/5th and we start dreaming but come sunday everyone wakes up to the reality.

Red Bull has Verstappen, Aston Martin has Alonso and Mercedes has both Russell and Hamilton, so any effect of that sort should balance out given at least one similar calibre tier-one drivers in all four top teams.

On a side note does RB even need a tier one driver? Even Perez looks unbeatable in that car ffs.

Lastly what i mean was Leclerc is out performing the car in qualifying with his exceptional one lap ability, it’s actually peppering over the cracks. In RB or mercs case theses guys actually perform better on race day totally opposite of ferrari.