2023 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix - Jeddah, March 17 - 19

[mendis]

Yes, but where was his teammate?

6 tenths off, but I’m not sure what point you are trying to make?

Not sure how it is possible to attempt to derail a thread with a single post!

Just simple math. The two redbulls were closer with their gap. Hamilton's lap was an outlier. He does have those, and Rosberg and Bottas are qualifying specialists compared to Perez.
So Hamilton is right when judgeing that the rb19 is the most dominant car ever.
It's still very close to 2015 yes in terms of race pace. But more to come to determine that this year.

I don't know who else understood this post, but I didn't.

Last race in Bahrain, Max was 0.14 ahead of Perez and 3 tenths ahead of Leclerc.
In Saudi, Perez was 0.15 ahead of Charles.

Is that on par with W05/W06/W07?

As far race pace, Alonso was hanging with Perez with similar times in the first stint. Once, it was clear that he wasn't going to make a difference, he went into managing his potential 3rd place. Last stint, it was race between Max and Perez and they pushed, while Alonso was just consolidating. Last few laps, he showed the same kind of pace that Red Bulls were on.

Can someone call that, W05/06/07 like advantage?



Bottas is being beaten by Zhou more consistently as he has got good understanding of the car with a bit of experience under his belt. If Bottas is a qualifying specialist, then Zhou is at Lewis' level.

[wogx]

Yeah, that safety car seemed a bit uncalled for too. I would have thought they could have raced on, or just get a small VSC period and push the car further.

[aral]

The safety car was called out because the track sensors showed that the car was not fully clear of the track !

[AR3-GP]

Yeah, that safety car seemed a bit uncalled for too. I would have thought they could have raced on, or just get a small VSC period and push the car further.

To the meme thread

[SiLo]

That would call for shortening the amount of seconds IMO, because you are making it effectively longer than 5 secs.

A 5 second penalty is rarely ever actually punitive in practice

A penalty spot at the end of the pit lane. Let the teams perform their pitstops as normal and have the penalized car stop at a "penalty spot" for 5 s at the end of the pit lane just before rejoining the track

They used to have this, but it doesn't allow multiple drivers to serve penalties at the same time so they switched it to being in their own pit box.

[LM10]

Yeah, that safety car seemed a bit uncalled for too. I would have thought they could have raced on, or just get a small VSC period and push the car further.

What is the VSC there for?

[Sieper]

Yeah, that safety car seemed a bit uncalled for too. I would have thought they could have raced on, or just get a small VSC period and push the car further.

Oh, Haha, king Latifi could. I stand corrected, safety before everything ofc. Thanks!

[Sieper]

Just finished watching the race for a second time and noticed at the end how much of an a-hole Max’s dad was when Checo came over to celebrate with the team. Totally ignored Checo. No class. No team spirit. No congrats to Checo. Come on man. I mean, how self-absorbed can a person be? Seriously. What a friggin’ lowlife. Smh

On a lighter note, I thought Bernie was excellent. She offered what I thought was unique insight and was a good addition to the Sky team. Great accent is just icing on the cake.

Sky needs to fire Damon Hill.

Jos and Raymond Vermeulen (Max’ manager) just waited for Checo to celebrate with the team first and then congratulated him.



Maybe you shouldn’t jump to conclusions, or even act in bad faith? Look what you wrote.

[FW17]

6 tenths off, but I’m not sure what point you are trying to make?

Not sure how it is possible to attempt to derail a thread with a single post!

Just simple math. The two redbulls were closer with their gap. Hamilton's lap was an outlier. He does have those, and Rosberg and Bottas are qualifying specialists compared to Perez.
So Hamilton is right when judgeing that the rb19 is the most dominant car ever.
It's still very close to 2015 yes in terms of race pace. But more to come to determine that this year.

I don't know who else understood this post, but I didn't.

Last race in Bahrain, Max was 0.14 ahead of Perez and 3 tenths ahead of Leclerc.
In Saudi, Perez was 0.15 ahead of Charles.

Is that on par with W05/W06/W07?

As far race pace, Alonso was hanging with Perez with similar times in the first stint. Once, it was clear that he wasn't going to make a difference, he went into managing his potential 3rd place. Last stint, it was race between Max and Perez and they pushed, while Alonso was just consolidating. Last few laps, he showed the same kind of pace that Red Bulls were on.

Can someone call that, W05/06/07 like advantage?

https://i.postimg.cc/rmY4cCfv/jeddah-2.png

Bottas is being beaten by Zhou more consistently as he has got good understanding of the car with a bit of experience under his belt. If Bottas is a qualifying specialist, then Zhou is at Lewis' level.

I remember the Canadian GP 2014, Rosberg kept Riccardo and Vettel behind for 20 laps without the 160hp of the MGUK

[Juzh]

late to the party but here's some laps from quali

perez P1 1.28.265
https://streamable.com/u583rb


leclerc P2 1.28.420
https://streamable.com/l7fm5f


russell P4 1.28.857
https://streamable.com/yeyhzh

[LM10]

late to the party but here's some laps from quali

perez P1 1.28.265
https://streamable.com/u583rb


leclerc P2 1.28.420
https://streamable.com/l7fm5f


russell P4 1.28.857
https://streamable.com/yeyhzh

Except T22, where the RB19 had significantly more minimum speed (10 km/h difference!), I’ve not seen a corner where the SF-23 was slower. It was about equally fast or even faster. That’s my quick observation on the mobile phone.

[Juzh]

late to the party but here's some laps from quali

perez P1 1.28.265
https://streamable.com/u583rb


leclerc P2 1.28.420
https://streamable.com/l7fm5f


russell P4 1.28.857
https://streamable.com/yeyhzh

Except T22, where the RB19 had significantly more minimum speed (10 km/h difference!), I’ve not seen a corner where the SF-23 was slower. It was about equally fast or even faster. That’s my quick observation on the mobile phone.

Minimum speed is important but it's not to be taken completely at face value.
Check this out:

[AR3-GP]

late to the party but here's some laps from quali

perez P1 1.28.265
https://streamable.com/u583rb


leclerc P2 1.28.420
https://streamable.com/l7fm5f


russell P4 1.28.857
https://streamable.com/yeyhzh

Except T22, where the RB19 had significantly more minimum speed (10 km/h difference!), I’ve not seen a corner where the SF-23 was slower. It was about equally fast or even faster. That’s my quick observation on the mobile phone.

Minimum speed is important but it's not to be taken completely at face value.
Check this out:

True, I also noted this:

Higher min speed doesn't always mean faster. Some of it is driving style. Leclerc actually lost time here despite having the higher min speed.

[Hammerfist]

Just simple math. The two redbulls were closer with their gap. Hamilton's lap was an outlier. He does have those, and Rosberg and Bottas are qualifying specialists compared to Perez.
So Hamilton is right when judgeing that the rb19 is the most dominant car ever.
It's still very close to 2015 yes in terms of race pace. But more to come to determine that this year.

I don't know who else understood this post, but I didn't.

Last race in Bahrain, Max was 0.14 ahead of Perez and 3 tenths ahead of Leclerc.
In Saudi, Perez was 0.15 ahead of Charles.

Is that on par with W05/W06/W07?

As far race pace, Alonso was hanging with Perez with similar times in the first stint. Once, it was clear that he wasn't going to make a difference, he went into managing his potential 3rd place. Last stint, it was race between Max and Perez and they pushed, while Alonso was just consolidating. Last few laps, he showed the same kind of pace that Red Bulls were on.

Can someone call that, W05/06/07 like advantage?

https://i.postimg.cc/rmY4cCfv/jeddah-2.png

Bottas is being beaten by Zhou more consistently as he has got good understanding of the car with a bit of experience under his belt. If Bottas is a qualifying specialist, then Zhou is at Lewis' level.

I remember the Canadian GP 2014, Rosberg kept Riccardo and Vettel behind for 20 laps without the 160hp of the MGUK

Thats only because there was a force india in between. The force india didnt have the aero to keep up with the merc in the middle sector even with 160hp more. So rosberg would open up a gap in s2. But as soon as ricciardo cleared the force india he got rosberg quickly.

[Chuckjr]

Jos and Raymond Vermeulen (Max’ manager) just waited for Checo to celebrate with the team first and then congratulated him.

Maybe you shouldn’t jump to conclusions, or even act in bad faith? Look what you wrote.

Maybe you should understand that not everyone sees the same video and from another perspective it looked how I called it.

In fact, BEFORE your post, it was pointed out he actually took part in celebrating and I thanked the poster for posting another version that showed this.

The hell else you expect me to do atp? Bow down and beg forgiveness? Jesus Christ.